Fresh Start Political Thread

[mooby]

Originally Posted by punch it in

"Socialist hardliner Joe Brandon refuses to negotiate with moderates, kills himself and his presidential goals! No sympathy!"

LOL indeed.

[punch it in]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/19/polit...ans/index.html

Probably just another lying deepstate leaker id imagine.

[Chico23231]

The reactions yesterday tells you the story…The anger by Bernie his band of commie socialists and the relief by the moderates.

Gregory T. Angelo
@gregorytangelo
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Privately Senator Sinema has been telling people it’s not just her and Manchin who are opposed to #BuildBackBetter — many of their Democrat colleagues are opposed as well, but afraid to speak up. She tells them they’re “hiding behind her skirt.”

Biden hasn’t governed like a moderate, that’s why he’s been a disaster. The folks in charge of the administration aren’t really good at this.

[sdskinsfan2001]

We don't have plenty of money. We just keep borrowing and borrowing and borrowing money we don't have. We are in debt 29 trillion dollars.

It's incredibly unfair to say if you're against this monster bill you're doing it at the expense of your country. There are valid reasons why people are against it.

Spending tons of money does not automatically equal good for the country.

If that was the case, this country would be absolutely perfect by now. That's all our government does is print and spend money they don't have.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

We don't have plenty of money. We just keep borrowing and borrowing and borrowing money we don't have. We are in debt 29 trillion dollars.

It's incredibly unfair to say if you're against this monster bill you're doing it at the expense of your country. There are valid reasons why people are against it.

Spending tons of money does not automatically equal good for the country.

If that was the case, this country would be absolutely perfect by now. That's all our government does is print and spend money they don't have.

Okay let me rephrase then. We are an incredibly wealthy country with vast amount or resources. We are choosing to utilize that capital in a way that benefits very few instead of benefiting the country as a whole. Benefiting many should not be viewed as socialism but a country doing right by their citizens not the industrial-military complex. Whether we are in debt or not is irrelevant if people like Joe Manchin say "I can support A but not B" even though B will help us and A doesn't

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Okay let me rephrase then. We are an incredibly wealthy country with vast amount or resources. We are choosing to utilize that capital in a way that benefits very few instead of benefiting the country as a whole. Benefiting many should not be viewed as socialism but a country doing right by their citizens not the industrial-military complex. Whether we are in debt or not is irrelevant if people like Joe Manchin say "I can support A but not B" even though B will help us and A doesn't

Thinking government saves people

Goodness gracious…

[BaltimoreSkins]

Yes Chico I think the government should benefit the citizens the crazy democracy destroying socialist I am

[MTK]

If not the gov't who else? Let's take away Social Security, SSI, HEAP/HUD/SNAP, Medicare and Medicaid and see how that works.

[nonniey]

Well to be fair to Manchin it was the White House that were playing games on the cost of the bill. The CBO said it wasn't paid for and the White House response was to shorten the time of the programs to 3 years while stating next 10 years of a tax increase (that they would have to extend after 3 years) would pay for them. Manchin knew that Dems would have to be in power to extend the taxes and if they were they'd also extend the programs - ie it wasn't going to be payed for. To clarify a Republican controlled Congress = no tax extension which means increased debt. A Dem controlled congress = Tax extension which pays for 1st three years but then also means extension of programs as well which means increased debt.

[BaltimoreSkins]

I agree the game playing is counterproductive. It should be okay to say that providing services will cost money and not lie about it.

[sdskinsfan2001]

The infrastructure bill that actually got passed was 2702 pages. I mean, c'mon, no way you can possibly believe a bill needs 2700 pages, if it was actually drafted strictly for national infrastructure. That bill had more pork than a sausage factory.

If anyone here has read a 2700 page book, you're a superior human than me.

The infrastructure bill compared to BBB is childs play.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

The infrastructure bill that actually got passed was 2702 pages. I mean, c'mon, no way you can possibly believe a bill needs 2700 pages, if it was actually drafted strictly for national infrastructure. That bill had more pork than a sausage factory.

If anyone here has read a 2700 page book, you're a superior human than me.

The infrastructure bill compared to BBB is childs play.

Over 50% of infrastructure bill was corporate giveaways. One of the reasons I did not really understand why progressives allowed that to get passed first. there are enough in congress to hold their votes and elicit real change for good.

To your other post: I was born in Beaufort, SC and still consider SC my home state but after college I could not bring myself to move back there. I was a military brat and spent most of my life outside Fort Bragg, Fort Benning and Fort Polk. I have had enough of southern conservatism. I also lived in Fort lewis. The western conservative mindset is far more to my liking than the southern.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Over 50% of infrastructure bill was corporate giveaways. One of the reasons I did not really understand why progressives allowed that to get passed first. there are enough in congress to hold their votes and elicit real change for good.

This is my idea of how bills get drafted in DC.



Just pass around the pen and everyone gets to write in what they want that benefits them.

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

To your other post: I was born in Beaufort, SC and still consider SC my home state but after college I could not bring myself to move back there. I was a military brat and spent most of my life outside Fort Bragg, Fort Benning and Fort Polk. I have had enough of southern conservatism. I also lived in Fort lewis. The western conservative mindset is far more to my liking than the southern.

C'mon, move to Mount Pleasant, SC, in February. We can be neighbors.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

This is my idea of how bills get drafted in DC.



Just pass around the pen and everyone gets to write in what they want that benefits them.



C'mon, move to Mount Pleasant, SC, in February. We can be neighbors.

Lot's of great restaurants there be prepared for traffic, bad driving and to put on twenty pounds from fried food alone. Head to Isle of Palms go to Acme Cantina and get the Gouda Grit Fries. Ask them to add some shrimp. Go to Simmons Seafood for key lime pie. Don't ever let anyone see you buy shrimp at a grocery store pick it up at the dock on Shem Creek. Swig and Swine up route 41 for your que. Riverdogs games are the bomb great food and beer. Go opening night to hang with Bill Murray

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Lot's of great restaurants there be prepared for traffic, bad driving and to put on twenty pounds from fried food alone. Head to Isle of Palms go to Acme Cantina and get the Gouda Grit Fries. Ask them to add some shrimp. Go to Simmons Seafood for key lime pie. Don't ever let anyone see you buy shrimp at a grocery store pick it up at the dock on Shem Creek. Swig and Swine up route 41 for your que. Riverdogs games are the bomb great food and beer. Go opening night to hang with Bill Murray

Nice, thanks for the updates. Luckily I will be working remotely, so I will only have to deal with any traffic for things I choose to go do.