Redskins General 2020 NFL Thread

[Chico23231]

I can’t believe how dumb the Texans are...it’s incredible.

[SunnySide]

I think Hopkins wanted a new deal was the trigger. I think Obrien just wanted him moved so it wouldnt linger. But you cant do that for high end young talent.

I dont know how hard he was pushing .. we kinda did the same thing with Dunbar (although several tiers below Hopkins so you can move a malcontent like Dunbar without getting push back)

Kinda like cutting your nose off despite your face. Yes you didnt want discord growing from Hopkins but just moving for a 2nd ... you caused more discord by moving him vs keeping him and dealing with whatever headache may arise.

Trents situation is the outlier ... and you see what can happen if you dont move a disgruntled talent.

You end up paying him half his salary anyway, he plays zero downs for you, he gets 1 year older and less valuable ... and there is the periodic agent comment or leak meant to make your organization look incompetent.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

I think Hopkins wanted a new deal was the trigger. I think Obrien just wanted him moved so it wouldnt linger. But you cant do that for high end young talent.

I dont know how hard he was pushing .. we kinda did the same thing with Dunbar (although several tiers below Hopkins so you can move a malcontent like Dunbar without getting push back)

Kinda like cutting your nose off despite your face. Yes you didnt want discord growing from Hopkins but just moving for a 2nd ... you caused more discord by moving him vs keeping him and dealing with whatever headache may arise.

Trents situation is the outlier ... and you see what can happen if you dont move a disgruntled talent.

You end up paying him half his salary anyway, he plays zero downs for you, he gets 1 year older and less valuable ... and there is the periodic agent comment or leak meant to make your organization look incompetent.

I don't necessarily think trading him was the issue, it was the shitty ass return. Cardinals stole a top 5 NFL receiver. C'mon Bill! Get it together. I want the Texans to be good. Be the best team in Texas.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

I don't necessarily think trading him was the issue, it was the shitty ass return. Cardinals stole a top 5 NFL receiver. C'mon Bill! Get it together. I want the Texans to be good. Be the best team in Texas.

I think OBrien pulled the trigger to early but who knows how strong Hopkins team was in demanding a new deal or trade.

if that was the best deal available after a few weeks of fielding calls ... I guess he felt he wanted to move Hopkins vs dealing with a hold out/headache/possible Trent situation.

Hopkins wanting a new deal or trade = shitty deal.

Hindsight, Im guessing Obrien wished he held tight and see how things truly unfolded vs his perception of how they would unfold.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

I think OBrien pulled the trigger to early but who knows how strong Hopkins team was in demanding a new deal or trade.

if that was the best deal available after a few weeks of fielding calls ... I guess he felt he wanted to move Hopkins vs dealing with a hold out/headache/possible Trent situation.

Hopkins wanting a new deal or trade = shitty deal.

Hindsight, Im guessing Obrien wished he held tight and see how things truly unfolded vs his perception of how they would unfold.

I just can't bring myself to believe that was the case. I just think that Bill O'Brien is a horrible GM because that deal was atrocious by any standard. The fact that he took on a huge salary/cap obligation for a fading RB who just had a bad season makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Now, he has just made another horrible deal with LAR for an overpaid WR with a poor injury history and inconsistent production instead or using that 2nd Round pick on a younger, cheaper WR in a deep WR class.

The problem is Bill O'Brien and not any circumstances that were imposed on him. He simply SUCKS as a GM.

[AnonEmouse]

Can't help thinking Hopkins has been on top 5 form, so why not just pay him commensurate with that? I suspect there was a little more than 'pay me or trade me'.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

Can't help thinking Hopkins has been on top 5 form, so why not just pay him commensurate with that? I suspect there was a little more than 'pay me or trade me'.

Yeah I agree. Perhaps Michael Irvins report that OBrien didnt like how much control Hopkins had in the locker room was accurate and that when OBrien had a meeting with Hopkins, it didnt go well (Aaron Hernandez etc).

Hopkins, to his credit, said he had nothing but respect for OBrien but he didnt refute the accuracy or deny Irvin's report of the meeting.

Who knows.

Not our mess or dysfunction.

[Chico23231]

I woulda sent Trent and maybe one of our 4th rounders...given Hopkins the Amari contract.

Hopkins is a better WR than Coop.

[sdskinsfan2001]

[sdskinsfan2001]

I'm bored, all offensive draft:

2: R1P2 - OT ANDREW THOMAS - GEORGIA
66: R3P2 - WR CHASE CLAYPOOL - NOTRE DAME
108: R4P2 - C MATT HENNESSY - TEMPLE
142: R4P36 - TE DEVIN ASIASI - UCLA
162: R5P16 - OT COLTON MCKIVITZ - WEST VIRGINIA
216: R7P2 - G CAMERON CLARK - CHARLOTTE
229: R7P15 - TE CHEYENNE O'GRADY - ARKANSAS

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

I'm bored, all offensive draft:

2: R1P2 - OT ANDREW THOMAS - GEORGIA
66: R3P2 - WR CHASE CLAYPOOL - NOTRE DAME
108: R4P2 - C MATT HENNESSY - TEMPLE
142: R4P36 - TE DEVIN ASIASI - UCLA
162: R5P16 - OT COLTON MCKIVITZ - WEST VIRGINIA
216: R7P2 - G CAMERON CLARK - CHARLOTTE
229: R7P15 - TE CHEYENNE O'GRADY - ARKANSAS

are you sober?

[sdskinsfan2001]

Defensive:

2: R1P2 - EDGE CHASE YOUNG - OHIO ST.
66: R3P2 - CB CAMERON DANTZLER - MISS. STATE
108: R4P2 - LB JORDYN BROOKS - TEXAS TECH
142: R4P36 - S J.R. REED - GEORGIA
162: R5P16 - CB JOSIAH SCOTT - MICHIGAN ST.
216: R7P2 - S ERIC LEE JR. - NEBRASKA
229: R7P15 - LB FRANCIS BERNARD - UTAH

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Defensive:

2: R1P2 - EDGE CHASE YOUNG - OHIO ST.
66: R3P2 - CB CAMERON DANTZLER - MISS. STATE
108: R4P2 - LB JORDYN BROOKS - TEXAS TECH
142: R4P36 - S J.R. REED - GEORGIA
162: R5P16 - CB JOSIAH SCOTT - MICHIGAN ST.
216: R7P2 - S ERIC LEE JR. - NEBRASKA
229: R7P15 - LB FRANCIS BERNARD - UTAH

That would be a good draft

[skinsfaninok]

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Can you name the team that won a super bowl in that group?