Bountygate Punishment for the Saints

[SmootSmack]

They violated written rules. They denied it. They lied about it having taking care of it. They had a convicted felon contribute funds to this. They got what they deserved

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

They violated written rules. They denied it. They lied about it having taking care of it. They had a convicted felon contribute funds to this. They got what they deserved

Psh, convicted felon convicted melon, who cares. Screw this pansy ass league full of sissies, this is the last straw! I can no longer be a fan of football.

/sarcasm

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

They violated written rules. They denied it. They lied about it having taking care of it. They had a convicted felon contribute funds to this. They got what they deserved

Saints took it too far but these punishments are simply ridiculous.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Saints took it too far but these punishments are simply ridiculous.

Well just 2 games is even more ridiculous. The ONLY thing that I think could maybe be a bit too much is that Payton is essentially suspended for much of next off-season. Lift the suspension after the playoffs and let him be involved with the team for senior week, combines, pro days, free agency

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well just 2 games is even more ridiculous. The ONLY thing that I think could maybe be a bit too much is that Payton is essentially suspended for much of next off-season. Lift the suspension after the playoffs and let him be involved with the team for senior week, combines, pro days, free agency

This investigation went on for 2 years. Goodell knew about it. Why didn't he stop it when it was going on? He's so worried about safety then he should've came out and said..."anyone caught doing this will be suspended and docked draft picks"...right there he could've ended this right away. Whether it's right or wrong this has been the culture of football. Defensive players, next year, will try and knock out offensive players. The only difference is funds won't be exchanged.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

This investigation went on for 2 years. Goodell knew about it. Why didn't he stop it when it was going on? He's so worried about safety then he should've came out and said..."anyone caught doing this will be suspended and docked draft picks"...right there he could've ended this right away. Whether it's right or wrong this has been the culture of football. Defensive players, next year, will try and knock out offensive players. The only difference is funds won't be exchanged.

Not sure if you don't understand the concept of lies and cover-ups, or if you're just not paying attention

“Clearly, we were lied to,” Goodell said. “We investigated this back in 2010, we were told it was not happening, it continued for another two years until we got credible evidence late in the 2011 season and we were able to identify significant information that verified from multiple sources that this was going on for a three-year period.”

Roger Goodell stands by Saints’ suspensions: “We were lied to” | ProFootballTalk

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

This investigation went on for 2 years. Goodell knew about it. Why didn't he stop it when it was going on? He's so worried about safety then he should've came out and said..."anyone caught doing this will be suspended and docked draft picks"...right there he could've ended this right away. Whether it's right or wrong this has been the culture of football. Defensive players, next year, will try and knock out offensive players. The only difference is funds won't be exchanged.

Yeah, but far too many times, people don't change their actions with just simple verbal warnings. It's not until they actually face that consequence that they realize their actions were stupid.

Kind of like that Teens Scared Beyond Straight show on A & E. No matter how much screaming and yelling those felons dish out to that youth, there is almost always one or two who wind up in jail with them months or a year later. I think in this case, Williams and the players probably always knew in the back of their minds that eventually there could be severe consequences for doing the bounties.

But, until actually facing those consequences, they probably didn't feel the threat of taking those warnings seriously. Williams and the Saints are probably the sacrificial lambs, but they needed the punishment to open their eyes and realize what they were doing was wrong.

My only beef with all of it....not the punishment, but the time frame of the punishment. This affects the Rams as well - an innocent bystander in all of this. Yes, kind of hard to feel very sorry for them after they bent the Redskins over in the trade, but still. Unless the Rams organization knew, ahead of time, that it was likely Williams could be suspended, I dare say they wouldn't have acquired his services. Seems like Goodell could have mentioned to the Rams that Williams was under investigation and they might wish to hold off hiring him. But, I suppose it doesn't work that way.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well just 2 games is even more ridiculous. The ONLY thing that I think could maybe be a bit too much is that Payton is essentially suspended for much of next off-season. Lift the suspension after the playoffs and let him be involved with the team for senior week, combines, pro days, free agency

2 games would have been downright laughable and would have sent a weak message.

[mbedner3420]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

They violated written rules. They denied it. They lied about it having taking care of it. They had a convicted felon contribute funds to this. They got what they deserved

Who was the convicted felon?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by mbedner3420

Who was the convicted felon?

Mike Ornstein, A Felon, Contributed To Saints Bounties And Left Email Trail - SBNation.com

[Chico23231]

And then there is this: Warren Sapp fingers Jeremy Shockey as the Saints’ bounty snitch | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo! Sports

key to remember when reading this story, that these are grown men and not 12 year olds

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

And then there is this: Warren Sapp fingers Jeremy Shockey as the Saints’ bounty snitch | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo! Sports

key to remember when reading this story, that these are grown men and not 12 year olds

Chico:

Seriously now... Are you REALLY going to be tempted to read ANY article that has the headline:

Warren Sapp Fingers Jeremy Shockey

[shudder...]

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Chico:

Seriously now... Are you REALLY going to be tempted to read ANY article that has the headline:

Warren Sapp Fingers Jeremy Shockey

[shudder...]

[MTK]

What's worse, the rat or the guy who rats on the rat?

Sapp shouldn't have said anything.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

What's worse, the rat or the guy who rats on the rat?

Sapp shouldn't have said anything.

If he 100% trusts his source, and it sounds like he does, then why not? To me the rat looks way worse here than Sapp.