Matt Barkley Stays (QB Draft Prospect Thread-Episode IV)

[30gut]

I know its a highlight reel and not a game cut-up.
But here's a look at one of my favorite prospects this year:
BTW-If anyone knows where there is a link to a game cut-up of Mr.Wilson please post the link

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

But what is today, except yesterday's tomorrow?

Me no like big words.

[itvnetop]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Agree with 30 Gut. Let's talk about the potential rookie QBs from RG3 all the way down to Aaron Corp.

I promise I'll tell you the QB rumor tomorrow

Wow, now there's a name I didn't expect to see in this thread...

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Agree with 30 Gut. Let's talk about the potential rookie QBs from RG3 all the way down to Aaron Corp.

I promise I'll tell you the QB rumor tomorrow

Aaron Corp? Really Smooty?

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Aaron Corp? Really Smooty?

NO kidding... He plays in my back yard. Got a bum deal coming to University of Richmond with that POS Latrell Scott as head coach. 2 DUI arrests later, his resignation, and the whole team came apart. He was highly touted at USC.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

NO kidding... He plays in my back yard. Got a bum deal coming to University of Richmond with that POS Latrell Scott as head coach. 2 DUI arrests later, his resignation, and the whole team came apart. He was highly touted at USC.

I remember who he is

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Agree with 30 Gut. Let's talk about the potential rookie QBs from RG3 all the way down to Aaron Corp.

I promise I'll tell you the QB rumor tomorrow

Tebow

[Lotus]

Someone sell me on Foles. When I've seen him play, I see a QB who pads his stats by throwing short a lot. I also see a QB who throws rainbows when he should be throwing ropes. It is not that I think he is bad - he just seems overrated to me.

[Landry44]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Someone sell me on Foles. When I've seen him play, I see a QB who pads his stats by throwing short a lot. I also see a QB who throws rainbows when he should be throwing ropes. It is not that I think he is bad - he just seems overrated to me.

There is a lot to like about Nick Foles. He's a really good qb playing on a very bad team. He's very accurate passer, good pocket presence, big arm, great size, and elusive in the pocket. The only problem I have with him is that he's tends to stare down wrs.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Landry44

There is a lot to like about Nick Foles. He's a really good qb playing on a very bad team. He's very accurate passer, good pocket presence, big arm, great size, and elusive in the pocket. The only problem I have with him is that he's tends to stare down wrs.

What I haven't seen on him is a big arm - like I said, he throws rainbows when he should throw ropes. Also, the accuracy part seems overrated because of an abundance of short throws. I do appreciate the pocket presence part. Thanks for that.

[mbedner3420]

Originally Posted by Landry44

There is a lot to like about Nick Foles. He's a really good qb playing on a very bad team. He's very accurate passer, good pocket presence, big arm, great size, and elusive in the pocket. The only problem I have with him is that he's tends to stare down wrs.

I'm pretty sure one of his biggest knocks is a weak arm...

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Someone sell me on Foles. When I've seen him play, I see a QB who pads his stats by throwing short a lot. I also see a QB who throws rainbows when he should be throwing ropes. It is not that I think he is bad - he just seems overrated to me.

He's like a Jay Cutler, great player on a bad team. His OL isn't nearly as good as Andrew Lucks or Matt Barkley's. His receivers aren't nearly as good as Barkleys. He has a rocket arm, NFL size. When you watch him play he looks like he has a few traits of a Brady/Rothlisberger/Matt Ryan/Joe Flacco/Jay Cutler. Some say that he stares down his receivers for a long time. That is some what true. Judge for yourself.

Nick Foles 2010 Highlights - YouTube

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Someone sell me on Foles. When I've seen him play, I see a QB who pads his stats by throwing short a lot. I also see a QB who throws rainbows when he should be throwing ropes. It is not that I think he is bad - he just seems overrated to me.

Foles has a much better deep ball than someone like Ryan Tannehill. A much better sense of timing, and I think he has a good concept for calculated risk. He doesn't always elude the pressure well, but he has a good sense of when time is running out. Gets through progressions quickly (maybe too quickly). He'll throw it to his first read if he thinks he can get the ball in, whether or not it is his best throw. I like the way he throws the shorter passes with zip and authority (although Tannehill is also quite good at this).

There are things I don't like about Foles, but I don't know if I would agree on your criticisms. I think the padding the stats argument implies that he's trading in winning throws for easier ones, and I never got that sense that Foles is looking only for the easy completion. I think he's looking for the first completion, but he's not averse to extending the play to let someone get open. As for rainbows vs. ropes, I would just point at his completion percentage and ascending YPA and suggest that it's probably not much of an issue.

I think he can both play within a scheme and create on his own, and that makes him a great fit for what we do. Some guys (Romo for example) struggle when you limit them to scheme throws and timing. Others (Grossman) really struggle to create outside the pocket. Foles can do both. And more importantly, he's accurate doing both.

Biggest knock on him: that he's not a good athlete at all. But he is a solid first round quarterback.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Foles has a much better deep ball than someone like Ryan Tannehill. A much better sense of timing, and I think he has a good concept for calculated risk. He doesn't always elude the pressure well, but he has a good sense of when time is running out. Gets through progressions quickly (maybe too quickly). He'll throw it to his first read if he thinks he can get the ball in, whether or not it is his best throw. I like the way he throws the shorter passes with zip and authority (although Tannehill is also quite good at this).

There are things I don't like about Foles, but I don't know if I would agree on your criticisms. I think the padding the stats argument implies that he's trading in winning throws for easier ones, and I never got that sense that Foles is looking only for the easy completion. I think he's looking for the first completion, but he's not averse to extending the play to let someone get open. As for rainbows vs. ropes, I would just point at his completion percentage and ascending YPA and suggest that it's probably not much of an issue.

I think he can both play within a scheme and create on his own, and that makes him a great fit for what we do. Some guys (Romo for example) struggle when you limit them to scheme throws and timing. Others (Grossman) really struggle to create outside the pocket. Foles can do both. And more importantly, he's accurate doing both.

Biggest knock on him: that he's not a good athlete at all. But he is a solid first round quarterback.

Fair enough GTripp. Excellent review. Thanks for that.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Foles has a much better deep ball than someone like Ryan Tannehill. A much better sense of timing, and I think he has a good concept for calculated risk. He doesn't always elude the pressure well, but he has a good sense of when time is running out. Gets through progressions quickly (maybe too quickly). He'll throw it to his first read if he thinks he can get the ball in, whether or not it is his best throw. I like the way he throws the shorter passes with zip and authority (although Tannehill is also quite good at this).

There are things I don't like about Foles, but I don't know if I would agree on your criticisms. I think the padding the stats argument implies that he's trading in winning throws for easier ones, and I never got that sense that Foles is looking only for the easy completion. I think he's looking for the first completion, but he's not averse to extending the play to let someone get open. As for rainbows vs. ropes, I would just point at his completion percentage and ascending YPA and suggest that it's probably not much of an issue.

I think he can both play within a scheme and create on his own, and that makes him a great fit for what we do. Some guys (Romo for example) struggle when you limit them to scheme throws and timing. Others (Grossman) really struggle to create outside the pocket. Foles can do both. And more importantly, he's accurate doing both.

Biggest knock on him: that he's not a good athlete at all. But he is a solid first round quarterback.

So, you are saying that he is a better option than R.Tannehill because, as you put it, he cant really escape the sack, but he has a good sense of when its coming? So, his value is, that when he is getting crushed, he had a good sense he was about to get the shit knocked out of him?

I didnt know that was an admirable trait for a pro quarterback, but I guess its worth something??????

I wonder if Troy Aikman had that trait in my avatar pick..........it worked out great for him......lol