Was Jamie Dukes out of line on Ryan Mallett?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I read an article where Mallett was compared more to Drew Bledsoe than Dan Marino. He has a hell of an arm and a high release, but Marino, even though stiff, could escape pressure at least better than Bledsoe. With the right line this guy could be awesome.....without it...???????

I always thought if the Shanahan's liked him it would be because he compared well to Schaub (tall immobile passer) but Schaub is more accurate while lacking the cannon of Mallet. So if anything I buy the Bledsoe comparison.

Also I agree about him absolutely needing a line. In the NFL there's 3 forms of protection. First is obviously the ability of the 5 offensive lineman to pass protect as well as run block to help keep the defense honest and allow play action to be more effective. After that you have the skilled positions ability to block, so that means Tight Ends, running backs, and occasionally receivers.

The third form of protection seems to be more and more vital in todays NFL and thats the ability of a QB to protect himself, either through mobility (Rodgers, Vick, Ben) or a lightning quick release (Manning). Obviously the mobility aspect is more practical and is becoming more and more a part of the game. Personally I want a QB that is able to move around and of all the QB's this year Mallet is easily the worst when it comes to moving around the pocket. Forget gaining yards, this guy is a statue.

[skinsfan69]

Most college kids experiment with drugs so I really would not hold this stuff against him.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Most college kids experiment with drugs so I really would not hold this stuff against him.

Define most. Because the schools I went to, I saw some of that stuff going on but for the most part, the majority weren't involved in that scene. Booze and pot were all over the place for sure, but that's a different animal.

His use is a concern and a red flag, especially if the rumors are true that he was doing a bit more than just "experimenting".

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Define most. Because the schools I went to, I saw some of that stuff going on but for the most part, the majority weren't involved in that scene. Booze and pot were all over the place for sure, but that's a different animal.

His use is a concern and a red flag, especially if the rumors are true that he was doing a bit more than just "experimenting".

I agree...I went to a school that at one time made Playboy's list of top party schools and I never once saw anyone doing lines of coke. I am sure there were people here and there doing it and I knew a couple people in my fraternity who did but not enough to say most. Plenty of my friends smoked weed and we all drank heavily but coke is different. Definite red flag...not sure I could pull the trigger on Mallet if this stuff is true.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by celts32

I agree...I went to a school that at one time made Playboy's list of top party schools and I never once saw anyone doing lines of coke. I am sure there were people here and there doing it and I knew a couple people in my fraternity who did but not enough to say most. Plenty of my friends smoked weed and we all drank heavily but coke is different. Definite red flag...not sure I could pull the trigger on Mallet if this stuff is true.

How is coke different than weed or drinking til you blackout? Cause drinking and smoking weed are more socially acceptable by society?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

How is coke different than weed or drinking til you blackout? Cause drinking and smoking weed are more socially acceptable by society?

Maybe it's just me, but taking a hit off a joint at a party it not the same as regularly doing lines by yourself and with a couple of other teammates in the locker room bathroom between practice sessions...but maybe that's just me

But regardless, I just hope for his sake he is clean and stays clean and has a successful NFL career

[celts32]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

How is coke different than weed or drinking til you blackout? Cause drinking and smoking weed are more socially acceptable by society?

I am not an expert on drugs so I don't want to get to far into this. weed is known as more of a gateway drug. Lots of people dabble with it in college and most give it up when they enter the real world. In many instances people taking coke are advanced drug users who are heading down the wrong path.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

How is coke different than weed or drinking til you blackout? Cause drinking and smoking weed are more socially acceptable by society?

Coke is a very physically addictive drug. Plus see the Len Bias story about what happens when you do too much coke. Nobody has died from a Pot overdose.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Define most. Because the schools I went to, I saw some of that stuff going on but for the most part, the majority weren't involved in that scene. Booze and pot were all over the place for sure, but that's a different animal.

His use is a concern and a red flag, especially if the rumors are true that he was doing a bit more than just "experimenting".

I just remember people doing mushrooms, acid, coke, e, weed laced with coke and so on. It wasn't everyone but whatever. I'm just not going to judge a guy if he did some drugs while in college. I was listening to Casserly the other night and he was talking some BS about not drafting guys that did "hard drugs." OK. How did that work out with Dexer Manley and Tony Peters? You're not going to ever have a locker room full of Charles Mann's. At least Mallett has told them something. I bet most of the people that are drafting these kids have skeletons in their closets.

[GusFrerotte]

[QUOTE=Mattyk;794203]Define most. Because the schools I went to, I saw some of that stuff going on but for the most part, the majority weren't involved in that scene. Booze and pot were all over the place for sure, but that's a different animal.

I concur. In the dorms at Eastern Mich Univ you could usually smell weed in the hallways a few times a week, but to say most kids did it would have been an huge exaggeration. IF Mallet is indeed doing that stuff he needs to get help, etc. I hope we don't get Mallet, but that is more to do with his tendency to lose his cool in pressure situations at times and choke.

[MTK]

I'm sure he will be closely monitored by the NFL and will have to submit to random drug testing.

[MTK]

You can't compare weed to heroin or coke. Don't even try, it's just laughable.

Yeah alcohol is a big problem, not downplaying that, but it's still not in the same league as hard drugs.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

As the parent of a 17 yr. old, even the kids today see a VAST difference between booze/weed and coke, heroin, etc. To most of the kids, people who use anything other than booze/weed are "drug abusers".

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

You can't compare weed to heroin or coke. Don't even try, it's just laughable.

Yeah alcohol is a big problem, not downplaying that, but it's still not in the same league as hard drugs.

I have to second that. Never read a "marijuana overdose" story.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

On the Jamie Dukes comment, I saw it live.....non-issue IMO (without going down the whole "double-standard" rathole).