Griffin's impact on the off-season FA/draft

[CultBrennan59]

Kevin Acee from the San Diego Tribune is reporting the Vincent Jackson to the skins is almost a lock to happen, since we will show more money than Chicago.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by 804_skins

G`GS Rec Yds Avg Lng TD
16 16 70 947 13.5 87T 6

and that was without Manning...

Team was bad but garcon was not

[diehardskin2982]

We need to build around RGIII We have anywhere from 35-40mil in cap space.

Resign Tim Hightower
Sign Vincent Jackson or Pierre Garcon or Braylon Edwards (if healthy)
Sign Eddie Royal, Maybe bring back Devin Thomas (lol) we need weapons, youth players that can run and get open, make the catch. In the draft I am looking at Ryan Broyles and Juron Criner.

Rebuild the line. We have to be able to effectively run and protect against the pass. Free agent number 1 should be either Carl Nicks or Ben Grubbs. I would also draft Philip Blake in the draft. I really think Willie Smith can step into the right tackle spot. Quality depth behind him

I also think we need that explosive runner with soft hands like LaMichael James although I think he will be gone in the second.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

We need to build around RGIII We have anywhere from 35-40mil in cap space.

Resign Tim Hightower
Sign Vincent Jackson or Pierre Garcon or Braylon Edwards (if healthy)
Sign Eddie Royal, Maybe bring back Devin Thomas (lol) we need weapons, youth players that can run and get open, make the catch. In the draft I am looking at Ryan Broyles and Juron Criner.

Rebuild the line. We have to be able to effectively run and protect against the pass. Free agent number 1 should be either Carl Nicks or Ben Grubbs. I would also draft Philip Blake in the draft. I really think Willie Smith can step into the right tackle spot. Quality depth behind him

I also think we need that explosive runner with soft hands like LaMichael James although I think he will be gone in the second.

Roy Helu is a burner and lets remember he has the record for most catches in a game for a Redskin (14).

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Roy Helu is a burner and lets remember he has the record for most catches in a game for a Redskin (14).

After Torain's unexplained dropoff I find myself nervous in regards to our running back stable. Like how long until Royster or Helu underacheives.

Speaking of which anyone know who the 3rd-6th round zone backs are? Remember the key words in scouting reports. Vision and anything with the word 'cut.'

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

After Torain's unexplained dropoff I find myself nervous in regards to our running back stable. Like how long until Royster or Helu underacheives.

Speaking of which anyone know who the 3rd-6th round zone backs are? Remember the key words in scouting reports. Vision and anything with the word 'cut.'

Did Torain start with us as a rookie?

[NM Redskin]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Did Torain start with us as a rookie?

Denver, then out for a year, then us, I believe.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Did Torain start with us as a rookie?

The point I was trying to make was these guys can change in the blink of an eye. If I told you last year that a healthy Torain would never break 3 yards per carry after the St. Louis game you would have told me I was crazy.

Helu and Royster are obviously promising, however their breakout games last year are no guarantee that they'll carry over to this year. Of course we'll probably draft another running back or two so I guess this is all a moot point if one of them falls off the map.

[Paintrain]

Hey man, if things fall the way you think it would save us some big money and we will see a resurgence of our passing game. I simply think we had one of the least talented group of receivers last season and don't see any individuals who would cause a defensive coordinators to gameplan for them in 2012 if we didn't upgrade.

I think Armstrong peaked in 2010 and teams learned how to defend him. I think Moss is in a decline. For the record I think many can replicate his projected production, not his production from 2010. I doubt he has 91 career catches left, much less in a season. With Gaffney, I doubt he produces as much as he did in '11 again but he's a piece of the puzzle probably best suited as a #3 or #4 WR on a good team.

I'll put it this way, would any of our WR crack the top three of any team in our division at the end of last season or going into 2012 camp?

NYG-Nicks, Cruz, Manningham
PHI-Jackson, Maclin, Avant
DAL-Austin, Bryant, Robinson

An argument could be made that a healthy Moss would be the #3 receiver on any of those teams but for our "#1" to be compared to the third best on every one of our division foes, I don't see how WR isn't a major need.

[NM Redskin]

So will we be switching to a read-option offense?

[Monkeydad]

I think we'll address the WR, CB and OL through FA. I really hope we re-sign Hightower. Yes, he's an injury concern but moving him into the same role he excelled at with the Cardinals...3rd down and goal-line duty (TD vulture), he'll be a great duo with Helu as the starter and Royster as his backup. Those 3 RBs will make one of the best backfield trios in the NFL. They're all capable starters. Darrel Young has been a great surprise at FB too.

We should use our highest pick on a safety. Kevin Barnes should be moved to free safety, he performed GREAT there when he filled in. Hopefully Atogwe can stay on the field at strong safety. But draft one or two safeties, we need depth there!

I also believe we'll still have a wild draft day and end up with about 8-10 picks, a lot like last year's wizardry. Just because we traded the draft farm for RG3...doesn't worry me. I know what this FO can do on draft day in making a lot out of what looked like nothing.

[donofriose]

With Vincent Jackson his best years have already been played out. Once he gets paid you think he won't get in any trouble? Very likely he goes out to celebrate. Almost 30 years old. He is not worth the money. Having a big number one receiver is very overrated. Big free agents rarely work out because you are paying for what they have done and not what they are going to do. Got to be smart and pay more attention to the draft. A lot of good quality receivers.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by donofriose

With Vincent Jackson his best years have already been played out. Once he gets paid you think he won't get in any trouble? Very likely he goes out to celebrate. Almost 30 years old. He is not worth the money. Having a big number one receiver is very overrated. Big free agents rarely work out because you are paying for what they have done and not what they are going to do. Got to be smart and pay more attention to the draft. A lot of good quality receivers.

You can't have given up so much to get your franchise QB without giving him weapons to use. Besides, we already have a promising young WR in Hankerson and I am sure we can get another in this draft. However, everything must be done with balance, and in the NFL you need to have a good combination of drafted players and free agents.

Besides, if the team signs another FA to big money and doesn't work out, that falls on the team's leadership, as much as it does on the player himself.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

You can't have given up so much to get your franchise QB without giving him weapons to use. Besides, we already have a promising young WR in Hankerson and I am sure we can get another in this draft. However, everything must be done with balance, and in the NFL you need to have a good combination of drafted players and free agents.

Besides, if the team signs another FA to big money and doesn't work out, that falls on the team's leadership, as much as it does on the player himself.

I agree but what I notice about the superbowl teams is what separates them from the rest is the depth that they have at a lot of positions. The best way to build depth is through the draft You can go after young free agents like a Mario Williams but what you don't want is to build a team where free agents are the main components. Every player on the packers offense was drafted. The ravens defense was almost entirely drafted. You build through the draft but you add key components through free agency. You sign under the radar guys or veterans that want to win a superbowl and are not in it for the money since they already have a lot. Signing one of the top free agents rarely works out unless they are in their mid 20's and even then it doesn't work out a lot of the time. Draft is less risky then free agency because of the money involved. Two D words that always go hand in hand Dynasty: Draft

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by donofriose

I agree but what I notice about the superbowl teams is what separates them from the rest is the depth that they have at a lot of positions. The best way to build depth is through the draft You can go after young free agents like a Mario Williams but what you don't want is to build a team where free agents are the main components. Every player on the packers offense was drafted. The ravens defense was almost entirely drafted. You build through the draft but you add key components through free agency. You sign under the radar guys or veterans that want to win a superbowl and are not in it for the money since they already have a lot. Signing one of the top free agents rarely works out unless they are in their mid 20's and even then it doesn't work out a lot of the time. Draft is less risky then free agency because of the money involved. Two D words that always go hand in hand Dynasty: Draft

Completely agree with everything youve said here and your post right before this one

Im completely against VJ. Hes turning 30, looking to get paid and has had off the field issues. Much rather build through the draft and sign guys that are looking to prove themselves, not just get paid. Save the big money deals for resigning players already on our team.