Steve Young's family up against Mormon church on Prop. 8

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I personally don't really care if gays get married or not but if I had to vote on the issue I would have to really take a close look at the pros & cons. We also have to remember the government does not ban gays from getting married they just don't recognize their marriage through the state. I have a gay cousin and a few friends that are gay. One actually says he has found god and is no longer gay so I guess in his case it was a choice. I have always felt that 50% of gays are born that way and the other 50% choose the life style for one reason or the other.

Sometimes I think your world is no bigger then a broom closet. This has to be one of your top 5 dumbest post.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

What I find so ironic is that so many members of the "small government" crowd think the government should decide whether people are afforded fundamental rights on the basis of their sexual preferences.

Also, big ups to Saden for citing Loving v. Virginia. Dude knows his history. I don't necessarily think it violates the Equal Protection clause, but it's plain wrong to deny homosexuals the right to marry.

this is what i have problems understanding as well.

members of the "small gov't" want very limited federal gov't and to be allowed to live how they and their local community wishes, i.e. laws and regs on intimate and personal issues should be left to the individual person or their local voted-for representative.

yet when it comes to gay marriages and abortions (2 issues representing the core of what I consider intimate and personal choices), the "small gov't" people in texas want communities in california to abide by their own preferences on issues such as abortion or gay rights.

i agree to an extent with the small gov't group. imo arlington va representatives are much more closely in-tune and aware of their towns wishes and needs more than the president of the US. so if a town in texas wants to ban gay marriages, so be it. if a town wants to allow gay marriage, so be it.

thats why we have salt lake city and las vegas.

some good discussion going on here fellas. this has to be some of the most intelligent discussion ever had between football fans on a football fan forum.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

this is what i have problems understanding as well.

members of the "small gov't" want very limited federal gov't and to be allowed to live how they and their local community wishes, i.e. laws and regs on intimate and personal issues should be left to the individual person or their local voted-for representative.

yet when it comes to gay marriages and abortions (2 issues representing the core of what I consider intimate and personal choices), the "small gov't" people in texas want communities in california to abide by their own preferences on issues such as abortion or gay rights.

i agree to an extent with the small gov't group. imo arlington va representatives are much more closely in-tune and aware of their towns wishes and needs more than the president of the US. so if a town in texas wants to ban gay marriages, so be it. if a town wants to allow gay marriage, so be it.

thats why we have salt lake city and las vegas.

some good discussion going on here fellas. this has to be some of the most intelligent discussion ever had between football fans on a football fan forum.

Nice reply to a two year old post. For a second I thought SGG was back.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Sometimes I think your world is no bigger then a broom closet. This has to be one of your top 5 dumbest post.

I actually found firstdowns post more open minded than most. He could've taken the TTE route and thought gays should be destroyed. :P Not saying first right, but just saying he could've been way way more obtuse (everyones favorite word!) So I gotta give firstdown some kudos. A bit misguided, but kudos nevertheless.

[jdlea]

[Chico23231]

^it was fun listening to Fox news tip toe around that issue. They do that hypocrite dance so well

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I actually found firstdowns post more open minded than most. He could've taken the TTE route and thought gays should be destroyed. :P Not saying first right, but just saying he could've been way way more obtuse (everyones favorite word!) So I gotta give firstdown some kudos. A bit misguided, but kudos nevertheless.

For the most part I find him humorous but his comments about gays wanting to be gay is just plain retard.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Sometimes I think your world is no bigger then a broom closet. This has to be one of your top 5 dumbest post.

Sounds like you need to come out of the closet. We know you want to.

[KLHJ2]

Oooohhhhh burn!

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Sounds like you need to come out of the closet. We know you want to.

pas de touche..

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jdlea

LOL nice

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I actually found firstdowns post more open minded than most. He could've taken the TTE route and thought gays should be destroyed. :P Not saying first right, but just saying he could've been way way more obtuse (everyones favorite word!) So I gotta give firstdown some kudos. A bit misguided, but kudos nevertheless.

So you can read minds now? I don't need to think gays should be destroyed. Their effed up lifestyle, crystal meth, and HIV destroys them regardless of what I think. I lived and worked in San Francisco and in the East Bay. I watched them destroy themselves. It gave me no pleasure in doing so, but pity is for the weak. It's a hard ball world and not everyone has compassion for self-inflicted wounds.

Born a boy, but fighting for death benefits as widow - Washington Times