Official Cut Day Discussion Thread

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

In all fairness to Thomas he's behind schedule because of injury. It's too early to bail on him for a journeyman guy like McMullen.

I understand that but right now he can't help us beat NY so put him on PUP. He is of no use right now.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I understand that but right now he can't help us beat NY so put him on PUP. He is of no use right now.

So you want to put Thomas on PUP even though he's not injured and I doubt the league would let that fly to start with, lose him until week 6, and then try to continue to develop his progress as a rookie at that time? He's already behind, and you want to put him further behind?

Sorry but that just makes no sense.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

So you want to put Thomas on PUP even though he's not injured and I doubt the league would let that fly to start with, lose him until week 6, and then try to continue to develop his progress as a rookie at that time? He's already behind, and you want to put him further behind?

Sorry but that just makes no sense.

Here is what I'm saying. Neither Kelly or Thomas have done shit this whole pre season. I'm not saying cut them cause I know that isn't going to happen. But right now they are totally useless in helping us beat NY. Kelly hasn't even gotten on the field in a game yet. Thomas just looks lost out there, he simply isn't ready to play a regular season game. I assume that you agree with me that Billy M. had a better pre season than both of them. So why cut the guy, even though he is a jouneymen, when he out performed both of the top picks?? Somehow I find a way to keep him on the team. He knows the offense and he performed well in pre season games. Total BS move IMO.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Here is what I'm saying. Neither Kelly or Thomas have done shit this whole pre season. I'm not saying cut them cause I know that isn't going to happen. But right now they are totally useless in helping us beat NY. Kelly hasn't even gotten on the field in a game yet. Thomas just looks lost out there, he simply isn't ready to play a regular season game. I assume that you agree with me that Billy M. had a better pre season than both of them. So why cut the guy, even though he is a jouneymen, when he out performed both of the top picks?? Somehow I find a way to keep him on the team. He knows the offense and he performed well in pre season games. Total BS move IMO.

I would have liked to see us keep 6 WRs. But I can't agree with bailing on Thomas or Kelly by stashing them on IR or PUP. They're not going to get better by sitting. It's going to be a trial by fire for both of them. That's the bed we made by drafting two rookie WRs.

[Darrell_Green_28]

well duh thats easy... Tryon will

[JLee9718]

I ws rooting for Brooks over Frost. They both had good preseasons though, and if it's all even, you usually keep the veteran. But I know Frost's history, so hopefully the Redskins made the right decision.

[CRedskinsRule]

How do the guys that were kept stack up on special teams? was there maybe a tradeoff to keep brooks smith wanted certain st guys? i dont understand not keeping mcmullen

[Darrell_Green_28]

wonder if Mason would be on his way to the Texans. i see they are having probs at rb there.

[davy]

You can virtually guarantee that the guy who gets the bulk of the carries and the guy that makes the most catches in preseason will both get cut. Seems to happen every year.

[mooby]

I'm disappointed to see Mason cut but as has been mentioned he was in a numbers crunch, with the depth we have and since he didn't excel at pass blocking he was expendable to the coaches.

I too am amongst the confused about our wr situation, but time will tell what happens. Maybe they want to see what happens with Kelly before they bring in another wide receiver. Other than that I'm not really suprised here, but I am glad Brooks won the battle.

[That Guy]

mason, mcmullen, crummey, richardson are somewhat surprising... nobody that'll turn into a superstar, but hopefully we get at least 2 on our PS (i know mcmullen is 4 years in).

tryon? seriously? that's guy is total trash... i don't remember a single game where he looked like he was worth keeping. that reeks of the FO over riding coaches, unless blache is the one that insisted on him...

i wouldn't have kept wilson either, and not sure hamilton is really going to be anything beyond our #5 safety...

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by That Guy

mason, mcmullen, crummey, richardson are somewhat surprising... nobody that'll turn into a superstar, but hopefully we get at least 2 on our PS (i know mcmullen is 4 years in).

tryon? seriously? that's guy is total trash... i don't remember a single game where he looked like he was worth keeping. that reeks of the FO over riding coaches, unless blache is the one that insisted on him...

i wouldn't have kept wilson either, and not sure hamilton is really going to be anything beyond our #5 safety...

I agree 100% on Tryon, if someone doesn't IMO they don't know jack shit about NFL quality talent, he will NEVER make it in this league.....Trash he is!

On to the front office. Frosty apparently is making a case that the front office/Vinny is behind his departure. You have to wonder how much say so if any Coach Zorn, Danny and the coaching staff really had on this issue? Vinny and the scouts did use a draft pick on Brooks.

Posted at 5:02 PM ET, 08/30/2008

Frost Unhappy With Decision, But Moving On (First Stop - Seattle)

Just got off the phone with released punter Derrick Frost. He praised special teams coach Danny Smith and implied that the decision to let him go in favor of rookie draft pick Durant Brooks was made by the front office.
"I feel like I was dealt with dishonestly," Frost said. "I want to thank Danny Smith for the three years he gave me here, and I feel like he always treated me well, and I will continue to think that. But I think we all know who made the decision, and when you've got a draft that isn't starting to look so good, you're going to do whatever you can to make it look as good as possible."
This is Vinny Cerrato's first draft and offseason with his new title, executive vice president, and the team kept all 10 of his picks. The Redskins, informed of Frost's statement, declined to comment.
Frost said he is at peace with his performance this summer: "In hindsight you often say, 'What if I could have done this or that?' But I really feel like no matter what I would have done it would have come out this way." Within a few hours of being released Frost had calls from other teams and will be in Seattle Tuesday for a tryout.

Frost said he loves living in this area, and will make it his home here even if he finds another NFL club. He also said he hopes to keep ties to many people in the organization.
He was not given any reasoning for the decision, Frost said, but is looking forward to the future and wants to continue displaying the form he showed in training camp and the preseason games.
"I was given no explanation by anyone," Frost said. "They kept trying to tell me that it was close, that it was close and that it was an open competition, but I don't feel that was really the case."
I'd be the first to say that Frost had a shaky tenure here and the team needed to upgrade at punter, whether through a new-and-improved Frost, or someone else. But this was also by far the most consistent I had ever seen him perform in practices and games, and his leg looked bigger than ever. To me, he outproduced the kid.

[wolfeskins]

frost sounds like a crybaby. does he really need an explanation? he was inconsistant, a draft pick was used on a punter, thats your explanation.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

frost sounds like a crybaby. does he really need an explanation? he was inconsistant, a draft pick was used on a punter, thats your explanation.

I agree... Frost wasn't just trying to beat out Brooks 1 on 1 in the preseason, he was taking on Brooks and all the inconsistent punts that he had during his time here...and always at the worst times. I still remember that Tampa game in 2005 where he shanked that one with a minute to go in the 4th quarter... I think Frost was slightly better than Brooks in the preseason, but I still have absolutely no problems with this decision.

I agree with everyone here about Tryon. If he sees extended playing time this year, it could be a very long year.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

I agree 100% on Tryon, if someone doesn't IMO they don't know jack shit about NFL quality talent, he will NEVER make it in this league.....Trash he is!

On to the front office. Frosty apparently is making a case that the front office/Vinny is behind his departure. You have to wonder how much say so if any Coach Zorn, Danny and the coaching staff really had on this issue? Vinny and the scouts did use a draft pick on Brooks.

Posted at 5:02 PM ET, 08/30/2008

Frost Unhappy With Decision, But Moving On (First Stop - Seattle)

Just got off the phone with released punter Derrick Frost. He praised special teams coach Danny Smith and implied that the decision to let him go in favor of rookie draft pick Durant Brooks was made by the front office.
"I feel like I was dealt with dishonestly," Frost said. "I want to thank Danny Smith for the three years he gave me here, and I feel like he always treated me well, and I will continue to think that. But I think we all know who made the decision, and when you've got a draft that isn't starting to look so good, you're going to do whatever you can to make it look as good as possible."
This is Vinny Cerrato's first draft and offseason with his new title, executive vice president, and the team kept all 10 of his picks. The Redskins, informed of Frost's statement, declined to comment.
Frost said he is at peace with his performance this summer: "In hindsight you often say, 'What if I could have done this or that?' But I really feel like no matter what I would have done it would have come out this way." Within a few hours of being released Frost had calls from other teams and will be in Seattle Tuesday for a tryout.

Frost said he loves living in this area, and will make it his home here even if he finds another NFL club. He also said he hopes to keep ties to many people in the organization.
He was not given any reasoning for the decision, Frost said, but is looking forward to the future and wants to continue displaying the form he showed in training camp and the preseason games.
"I was given no explanation by anyone," Frost said. "They kept trying to tell me that it was close, that it was close and that it was an open competition, but I don't feel that was really the case."
I'd be the first to say that Frost had a shaky tenure here and the team needed to upgrade at punter, whether through a new-and-improved Frost, or someone else. But this was also by far the most consistent I had ever seen him perform in practices and games, and his leg looked bigger than ever. To me, he outproduced the kid.

Ahhhhhhh, poor JLC - looks like he just lost another source.

It was a close competition, but Frosty has shown inconsistency in games, Brooks is the unknown. Also, Frost had nice yardage but Brooks had the better hang time. He was dealt with dishonestly?? Please. If I am a vet with demonstrated inconsistency, I know the only way I stick is to bury the rookie.