Tiger Woods lynching comments

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by mheisig

The way she said it, her entire demeanor and delivery would lead any reasonable person to conclude it was completely innocuous and nothing more than perhaps a poor choice of words for public TV.

Why "lynching" brings only one thing to mind is beyond me. A lynching is a mob killing without legal authority. If she's guilty of anything, it's of using an illustration that's ridiculously graphic and violent for the point she's trying to make, it has nothing to do with race.

It should be equally bad for her to say, "Well they'll have to stalk you down and blow your brains out in an ally before they can compete." If it's offensive, it ought to be offensive to a broad range of people simply because it's too violent an illustration for comparing it to golf.

Seriously I agree 100% with this. I'm so sick of hearing about Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson with this stuff. Its 100% obvious she didnt mean anything bad by this, hell she was complimenting him...yet she should lose her job...unreal imo.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

Seriously I agree 100% with this. I'm so sick of hearing about Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson with this stuff. Its 100% obvious she didnt mean anything bad by this, hell she was complimenting him...yet she should lose her job...unreal imo.

I understand they were friends but I don't understand how she was complimenting him.

"Faldo and Tilghman were discussing young players who could challenge the world's No. 1 player toward the end of Friday's broadcast at Kapalua when Faldo suggested that "to take Tiger on, maybe they should just gang up for a while."
"Lynch him in a back alley," Tilghman replied."



Maybe I'm just seeing this is in the wrong context because I don't know what came before it or after it. But if someone could just point me in the direction of the compliment...

And I think it would be stupid for her to lose her job over this, especially considering they were personal friends. I think what Fuzzy Zoeller said about him was far more demeaning.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I understand they were friends but I don't understand how she was complimenting him.

"Faldo and Tilghman were discussing young players who could challenge the world's No. 1 player toward the end of Friday's broadcast at Kapalua when Faldo suggested that "to take Tiger on, maybe they should just gang up for a while."
"Lynch him in a back alley," Tilghman replied."



Maybe I'm just seeing this is in the wrong context because I don't know what came before it or after it. But if someone could just point me in the direction of the compliment...

And I think it would be stupid for her to lose her job over this, especially considering they were personal friends. I think what Fuzzy Zoeller said about him was far more demeaning.

Basically the compliment came because they were saying that no one could beat Tiger and Nick Faldo said something along the lines of well maybe they need to all gang up on him and she said "lynch him in a back alley", basically saying thats the only way you can beat Tiger....

I mean I dont know who is/isnt African American on this website, but I'd really like to know if stuff like this is offensive to them. I just find that its insane that with all the crime going on in the world, this is what Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are worried about.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by mheisig

The way she said it, her entire demeanor and delivery would lead any reasonable person to conclude it was completely innocuous and nothing more than perhaps a poor choice of words for public TV.

Why "lynching" brings only one thing to mind is beyond me. A lynching is a mob killing without legal authority. If she's guilty of anything, it's of using an illustration that's ridiculously graphic and violent for the point she's trying to make, it has nothing to do with race.

It should be equally bad for her to say, "Well they'll have to stalk you down and blow your brains out in an ally before they can compete." If it's offensive, it ought to be offensive to a broad range of people simply because it's too violent an illustration for comparing it to golf.

while we don't agree on much, with this i think you are dead on. i really think she was trying to compliment woods. and society is way toooo sensitive

[DynamiteRave]

Well honestly I take it offensive racially. But I guess that's because all thats been shoveled into my head is images of Blacks being lynched by Whites and I think you said something like that in your statement.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Well honestly I take it offensive racially. But I guess that's because all thats been shoveled into my head is images of Blacks being lynched by Whites and I think you said something like that in your statement.

Why is it offensive? Doesn't intent matter at all? She clearly did not mean it in the way some would like to portray. I know you know that. So I don't get why it is offensive. Shouldn't the offensive remark have been meant in a disparaging or ignorant way at least?

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Why is it offensive? Doesn't intent matter at all? She clearly did not mean it in the way some would like to portray. I know you know that. So I don't get why it is offensive. Shouldn't the offensive remark have been meant in a disparaging or ignorant way at least?

Well as a knee-jerk reaction I take it offensively. But I mean seeing as how they're close friends and such I don't and she apologized to him personally. I know she didn't mean it maliciously and that means a lot in my not taking offense to it as well. I said if she was just some random woman and he had no idea who she was, then I would be a little more offended.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Well as a knee-jerk reaction I take it offensively. But I mean seeing as how they're close friends and such I don't and she apologized to him personally. I know she didn't mean it maliciously and that means a lot in my not taking offense to it as well. I said if she was just some random woman and he had no idea who she was, then I would be a little more offended.

Gotcha.

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Well as a knee-jerk reaction I take it offensively. But I mean seeing as how they're close friends and such I don't and she apologized to him personally. I know she didn't mean it maliciously and that means a lot in my not taking offense to it as well. I said if she was just some random woman and he had no idea who she was, then I would be a little more offended.

Al Sharpton = kneejerk

Frankly, I agree with you. Unless any of us are black and are 50-70 years old, we can't really appreciate the implications and the memories that are evoked when a white person says "lynch a black man". That is the kneejerk part, and, frankly, is something that will probably take another generation to address (a combination of the progress that's been made over the last 50 years and "time heals wounds", sort of thing).

That said, after the kneejerk reaction, you have to look at context. There is nothing in this situation that merits a suspension. Al Sharpton is notorious for dogpiling, and this is just another case of that. He really has no credibility, but he has clout, which enables him to pull crap like this.

[RobH4413]

I think it was a terrible terrible choice of words... and she should absolutely be held accountable.

With that being said... 2 weeks should def. get her to critique her choice of words. Unless there is prior history, for a first "accidental" offense, this seems just. Something else happens down the road... then the axe most certainly will fall.

As far as Sharpton goes... I've spoken with many Black Americans who are angered that he feels the need to represent the black community. I tend to think it would irk me as well.

He's generally over zealous and an insult to many legitimate civil rights activists. Many times it seems he's out for personal prosperity, and doesn't speak legitimately for a very legitimate cause. Just my .02

[FRPLG]

She used the wrong word. That's it. She wasn't using an illustrative word to describe what white people would have to do to Tiger to beat him in golf. She meant that people in general would most likely have to physically impair him. The use of the word lynch was simply an unfortunate choice. The question I get out of this is why does one race get to decide that a certain word/term/phrase is offensive to their race? Did black people get lynched un the south? Yeah. More were simply killed by other means yet for some reason kill is not on the "banned" list. This is so utterly ridiculous.

I think if she had said something about blowing his brains out in an alley, it would be criticized but she wouldn't lose her job for it.

I doubt anyone would have batted an eye if she simply used a different word or phrase honestly. It is what makes this so damn stupid.

I know we still have a lot of racist problems in this country but one of the biggest problems is that the Black Community has such total retards like Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton as their leaders.

[jsarno]

Tilghman was laughing during the exchange Friday with analyst Nick Faldo at the Mercedes-Benz Championship, and Woods' agent at IMG said he didn't think there was any ill intent.

the Rev. Al Sharpton joined the fray by demanding she be fired immediately.

Sharpton does his best to stay in the fore front of society, and unfortunately, he does so by trying to tear down others and see things that aren't there. Mr. Sharpton is a huge racist, and it's about time HE is the one that is ignored.

I will agree it was poor choice of words, but not enough to fire someone...come on. This society is getting way too sensitive.

[Gmanc711]

I dont know, I just think you have to take everything in context. While when people wanted Imus fired, I think that there was something too that, while I think this just really was a poor choice of words and other than the suspension nothing should happen. I mean I'm sure we all make mistakes in life/at work, and this seemed to be just a mistake.

[hagams]

I really don't like stepping into race issues.
People today just need to chill out and realize that we are all one people. This lady may not have made the comment in a racist way, but even in 2008 there are still people seeking retribution for something we weren't apart of, and still people trying to opress another man due to skin color, so it's still a major topic. It's completely insane.
The suspension is enough to satisfy me. I don't think it was meant the way it's been taken. Think of it, what sports writer, comentator, or annoucer would try to sneak in a racist remark on the world's best golfer? That's a lose/lose situation and not to mention career suicide.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by hagams

I really don't like stepping into race issues.
People today just need to chill out and realize that we are all one people. This lady may not have made the comment in a racist way, but even in 2008 there are still people seeking retribution for something we weren't apart of, and still people trying to opress another man due to skin color, so it's still a major topic. It's completely insane.
The suspension is enough to satisfy me. I don't think it was meant the way it's been taken. Think of it, what sports writer, comentator, or annoucer would try to sneak in a racist remark on the world's best golfer? That's a lose/lose situation and not to mention career suicide.

Still that doesn't give you an excuse to say whatever you want. I don't care if it makes sense what the intent was. Yeah she shouldn't lose her job, but it still is a big deal.

Asking people to lynch a black man is a racist comment. It simply should not be said.