NFL to Stop Race Norming

BaltimoreSkins · 06-07-2021, 07:03 AM

Scalper,

You present a list of numbers that suggest race plays a role in IQ and is genetic. However, you do not provide any evidence to support your claim. You will not get an argument from me on the latter point. However, you disingenuously leave out that IQ is also manipulated by environmental norms. A quick look at the data shows us that everything from cultural upbringing to exposure to lead paint can alter an individual IQ.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/t...t-can-be-done/

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...9.2006.00346.x

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/...nalCode=ncen20

https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfreds...sen30years.pdf

However, when we look at the norms utilized by the NFL from 30 years ago in the 1990s we see that they don’t take into account these environmental variables. A black athlete raised in mix race house exposed to a wider variety of cultural norms is far more likely to have a higher IQ than a white athlete raised in foster care. Yet that white athlete would have perceived higher cognitive functioning lending favor to them a payout the other athlete wouldn’t receive.

Let’s take a look at IQ as a basis for brain function testing. Once again you provide the IQ test as the basis for keeping these racial norms. As if there is a clear delineation. Yet a quick vertical research shows us once again. That when it comes to IQ tests there is a huge gap between what it is intended to measure and what it actual does as well as significant misinterpretation of the data due to flaws in testing.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6927908/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5663794/

Yet once again we see the NFL ignores this evidence and was maintaining 30 year old standards. So is the IQ a viable metric for brain function? It certainly has it’s merits in cognitive function if baseline data is applied to the individual, yet since the 1990s development of technology allows us to get a far more thorough evaluation of the brain than exclusively cognitive function.

https://data.mendeley.com/datasets/d7vrhdkgcd/1

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m3683

https://www.nature.com/scitable/blog/brain-metrics/

When we look at that research on metrics of brain function via a quick vertical searching method, we see that IQ does not resonate as a metric used by professionals studying brain health. Why should we then subjugate ourselves to using for economical reasons. We know these improved methods are used currently by the NFL perhaps it is time for the NFL and the NFLPA to come to agreement on how to use them.

Lastly let us look at race as this genetic emblem that impacts IQ. You give distinct data points as to the average ranges of IQ based on race. When we look at American genetics we see some very interesting trends.
First we see the average African American genome is 24% European. That is a rather large percentage. Second we see that nearly 20% of all African Americans genomes have European ancestry.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014...many-americans

https://www.genomeweb.com/microarray...d#.YL11kflKh1t

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4289685/

Surely the NFL used deviations to differentiate between African American athletes with higher and lower European genomic values? Of course not that would be a violation of HIPPA and furthermore wouldn’t have been plausible 30 years ago.

A last vertical search shows no evidence between the gene influencing skin pigmentation and intelligence which I didn’t even dive into is a fluctuating metric. I am not even going to bother posting the links refuting skin pigmentation and intelligence because it is down right insulting. I know you will retort and say that using terms such as black and white I am interpreting it as exclusively genetic and that in those references it is including social constructs. Fine whatever. Well done troll job.

The point is the NFL was using flawed 30 year old metrics and it was time for a revamp.

punch it in · 06-07-2021, 08:02 PM

You can’t fix stupid Baltimore.
Great post though.

Chico23231 · 06-07-2021, 08:49 PM

Really super cringe NFL either applied or attempted to apply this practice in dishing out settlements.

06-07-2021, 07:03 AM	#1
BaltimoreSkins Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Parkton, MD Posts: 5,607	NFL to Stop Race Norming Scalper, You present a list of numbers that suggest race plays a role in IQ and is genetic. However, you do not provide any evidence to support your claim. You will not get an argument from me on the latter point. However, you disingenuously leave out that IQ is also manipulated by environmental norms. A quick look at the data shows us that everything from cultural upbringing to exposure to lead paint can alter an individual IQ. https://www.brookings.edu/articles/t...t-can-be-done/ https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...9.2006.00346.x https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/...nalCode=ncen20 https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfreds...sen30years.pdf However, when we look at the norms utilized by the NFL from 30 years ago in the 1990s we see that they don’t take into account these environmental variables. A black athlete raised in mix race house exposed to a wider variety of cultural norms is far more likely to have a higher IQ than a white athlete raised in foster care. Yet that white athlete would have perceived higher cognitive functioning lending favor to them a payout the other athlete wouldn’t receive. Let’s take a look at IQ as a basis for brain function testing. Once again you provide the IQ test as the basis for keeping these racial norms. As if there is a clear delineation. Yet a quick vertical research shows us once again. That when it comes to IQ tests there is a huge gap between what it is intended to measure and what it actual does as well as significant misinterpretation of the data due to flaws in testing. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6927908/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5663794/ Yet once again we see the NFL ignores this evidence and was maintaining 30 year old standards. So is the IQ a viable metric for brain function? It certainly has it’s merits in cognitive function if baseline data is applied to the individual, yet since the 1990s development of technology allows us to get a far more thorough evaluation of the brain than exclusively cognitive function. https://data.mendeley.com/datasets/d7vrhdkgcd/1 https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m3683 https://www.nature.com/scitable/blog/brain-metrics/ When we look at that research on metrics of brain function via a quick vertical searching method, we see that IQ does not resonate as a metric used by professionals studying brain health. Why should we then subjugate ourselves to using for economical reasons. We know these improved methods are used currently by the NFL perhaps it is time for the NFL and the NFLPA to come to agreement on how to use them. Lastly let us look at race as this genetic emblem that impacts IQ. You give distinct data points as to the average ranges of IQ based on race. When we look at American genetics we see some very interesting trends. First we see the average African American genome is 24% European. That is a rather large percentage. Second we see that nearly 20% of all African Americans genomes have European ancestry. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014...many-americans https://www.genomeweb.com/microarray...d#.YL11kflKh1t https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4289685/ Surely the NFL used deviations to differentiate between African American athletes with higher and lower European genomic values? Of course not that would be a violation of HIPPA and furthermore wouldn’t have been plausible 30 years ago. A last vertical search shows no evidence between the gene influencing skin pigmentation and intelligence which I didn’t even dive into is a fluctuating metric. I am not even going to bother posting the links refuting skin pigmentation and intelligence because it is down right insulting. I know you will retort and say that using terms such as black and white I am interpreting it as exclusively genetic and that in those references it is including social constructs. Fine whatever. Well done troll job. The point is the NFL was using flawed 30 year old metrics and it was time for a revamp.

06-07-2021, 08:02 PM	#2
punch it in From a Land Down Under Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: toms river, nj Age: 53 Posts: 23,225	NFL to Stop Race Norming You can’t fix stupid Baltimore. Great post though.

06-07-2021, 08:49 PM	#3
Chico23231 Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 34,222	Re: NFL to Stop Race Norming Really super cringe NFL either applied or attempted to apply this practice in dishing out settlements. __________________ My pronouns: King/Your ruler He Gets Us

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