Election Day Thread - Nov. 3, 2020

[Giantone]

Good................


https://news.yahoo.com/happens-attor...193553046.html

This is what happens when attorneys go along with Kari Lake's election delusions



Laurie Roberts, Arizona Republic
Fri, July 14, 2023 at 3:35 PM EDT

Mark Finchem, Republican candidate for Arizona secretary of state and Kari Lake, Arizona gubernatorial candidate.
A federal judge on Friday ordered the attorneys for Kari Lake and Mark Finchem to pay Maricopa County $122,200 — money the county's taxpayers spent to fend off a “frivolous” lawsuit brought before last year’s election.

Turns out judges don’t much like to see the court system used as a campaign prop.

Attorneys should take note of this.

Lawsuit was simply a campaign stunt
You may recall that Lake and Finchem — with financial backing from MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell — filed suit in April 2022 while they were running for governor and secretary of state.

Their lawsuit asked a judge to bar the machine tabulation of votes in the 2022 election and require that paper ballots be used instead. They claimed that Arizona vote-counting machines produced inaccurate results and that there were no paper ballots to verify the machine count.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Slap on the wrist for trying to over throw the US government as far as I am concerned. Too bad she didn't rob a 7-11 for $100 bucks then she would've gotten 5 years of jail instead of probation.

[nonniey]

The organizers/movers and shakers never get the harder punishments. Ever notice in murder for hires the one doing the hiring never gets it as bad as the one they hired? It's bullshit and shouldn't be that way but it is what it is.

[MTK]

Jenna Ellis, just another fucking grifter. She just raised over $200k prior to taking this plea deal to supposedly fight the charge. Fucking scammer with her fake ass tears and her smug shit eating grin mug shot.

[mooby]

Looks like abortion is a clear winner based off the early results from yesterday.

Congrats to the conservatives for retaining their stronghold in Mississippi.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by mooby

Looks like abortion is a clear winner based off the early results from yesterday.

Congrats to the conservatives for retaining their stronghold in Mississippi.

Not sure about the Mississippi abortion law (it probably is extreme), but it is unfortunate that Youngkins' abortion law proposal is now dead. His proposal really is where the United States needs to go to get away from the extremes and lines up with most of the rest of the developed world.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by nonniey

Not sure about the Mississippi abortion law (it probably is extreme), but it is unfortunate that Youngkins' abortion law proposal is now dead. His proposal really is where the United States needs to go to get away from the extremes and lines up with most of the rest of the developed world.

Developed World, meaning what?

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Developed World, meaning what?

Have you really never heard of that term before? Seriously?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by nonniey

Have you really never heard of that term before? Seriously?

Seriously JHC

Originally Posted by nonniey View Post
Not sure about the Mississippi abortion law (it probably is extreme), but it is unfortunate that Youngkins' abortion law proposal is now dead. His proposal really is where the United States needs to go to get away from the extremes and lines up with most of the rest of the developed world.


............meaning what?

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by nonniey

Not sure about the Mississippi abortion law (it probably is extreme), but it is unfortunate that Youngkins' abortion law proposal is now dead. His proposal really is where the United States needs to go to get away from the extremes and lines up with most of the rest of the developed world.

Actually that is not true. 95% of women in Europe live in countries that where abortion is available on request. I know there are term restrictions however the exemptions available in Europe essentially make all abortions available if needed. The 15 week proposal by Youngkin is so limiting it is farcical. If Republicans ever decide to get serious about reducing abortion and reducing late term abortions in particular, they need to first get serious about health care and reduction of poverty those are the two biggest driving factors in late term abortions in the United States despite most abortions being done by 13 weeks

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Actually that is not true. 95% of women in Europe live in countries that where abortion is available on request. I know there are term restrictions however the exemptions available in Europe essentially make all abortions available if needed. The 15 week proposal by Youngkin is so limiting it is farcical. If Republicans ever decide to get serious about reducing abortion and reducing late term abortions in particular, they need to first get serious about health care and reduction of poverty those are the two biggest driving factors in late term abortions in the United States despite most abortions being done by 13 weeks

Incorrect in most of Europe abortions only for serious life threatening reasons or non-viability of the fetus are permitted after 12-18 weeks (depending on the country) elective abortions after the designated limit are illegal. I guess you somewhat say this as well when you said "if needed." That would be the same as what Youngkin was pushing.

BTW I think I know where you got your DATA - was it from here? -

https://reproductiverights.org/wp-co...ive-review.pdf

It's a bit deceptive (probably for US political considerations)

"In the European Union (EU)
almost every country has
legalized abortion on request
or on broad social grounds."

(Until 12-18 Weeks) - is what they leave out until a few paragraphs down

"Some ( Actually most) )European countries’ laws
set the time limit for abortion on
request or broad social grounds
between 18-24 weeks (actually between 12-18 weeks in most ) of pregnancy,
whereas many set the limit around
the first trimester of pregnancy.
However, all these countries’ laws
also allow access later in pregnancy
in specific circumstances, such as
where a woman’s health or life is
at risk (This is the serious health /fetus nonviability bit). The standard practice across
Europe is to not impose time limits
on these grounds.....?

Again, Youngkin wanted to establish abortion policy in line with what most of Europe (Actually most of the world with very few exceptions) has.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by nonniey

Incorrect in most of Europe abortions only for serious life threatening reasons or non-viability of the fetus are permitted after 12-18 weeks (depending on the country) elective abortions after the designated limit are illegal. I guess you somewhat say this as well when you said "if needed." That would be the same as what Youngkin was pushing.

BTW I think I know where you got your DATA - was it from here? -

https://reproductiverights.org/wp-co...ive-review.pdf

It's a bit deceptive (probably for US political considerations)

"In the European Union (EU)
almost every country has
legalized abortion on request
or on broad social grounds."

(Until 12-18 Weeks) - is what they leave out until a few paragraphs down

"Some ( Actually most) )European countries’ laws
set the time limit for abortion on
request or broad social grounds
between 18-24 weeks (actually between 12-18 weeks in most ) of pregnancy,
whereas many set the limit around
the first trimester of pregnancy.
However, all these countries’ laws
also allow access later in pregnancy
in specific circumstances, such as
where a woman’s health or life is
at risk (This is the serious health /fetus nonviability bit). The standard practice across
Europe is to not impose time limits
on these grounds.....?

Again, Youngkin wanted to establish abortion policy in line with what most of Europe (Actually most of the world with very few exceptions) has.

I saw that resource but don't take a singular source as gospel. I also found that a woman can get an abortion due to changes in mental health and changes in economic status after the legal time limit. Many of the countries also start the time to an abortion after the time in which the pregnancy was identified and not retroactively like the US laws or proposed laws. Regardless US labor laws and health care quality make it a challenge for lower economic status women to get an abortion until that is rectified I can't see wide support.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mooby

Looks like abortion is a clear winner based off the early results from yesterday.

Congrats to the conservatives for retaining their stronghold in Mississippi.

Republicans fucked up when they packed the court to over turn Roe/Wade it's going to backfire as we are already seeing.

[sdskinsfan2001]