Coronavirus (political)

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

chico............

1) I don't see anyone "high fiving" anything ,......so way to go with that lie.

2) chico , on this subject .You're ignorant so in the nicest way possible "STFU" about something you seriously know nothing about.
You are ignorant and ignore the data some of which I posted becuase you want to spread trumps fucked up agenda , you're bias, so fuck you. I say that becuase teaching kids and I mean young kids is what we call the family business and it's ignorant s like you that endanger everyone . I have three Teachers here in my family and you have no idea what it is they are doing to keep the kids and themselves safe( at their own expense) since it seems trump and people like you don't give a shit!


To everyone else I apologize for the rant.

Thanks g1 I appreciate that. I hope your family gets back to work safely soon.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by Giantone

You are ignorant and ignore the data some of which I posted becuase you want to spread trumps fucked up agenda , you're bias, so fuck you.

To everyone else I apologize for the rant.

G1 ... I think this is beyond the line of disagreement and discourse that i would personally like to see on here. We all have internet known each other on here for a long long time. We can disagree often and sometimes heatedly ... but idk man. This just seems to far.

just my opinion which means nothing.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

G1 ... I think this is beyond the line of disagreement and discourse that i would personally like to see on here. We all have internet known each other on here for a long long time. We can disagree often and sometimes heatedly ... but idk man. This just seems to far.

just my opinion which means nothing.

This was a response to chico in post #557

............and it needs to be in context. Considering it involves my family and what happens to them.

I said ..."chico............

1) I don't see anyone "high fiving" anything ,......so way to go with that lie.

2) chico , on this subject .You're ignorant so in the nicest way possible "STFU" about something you seriously know nothing about.
You are ignorant and ignore the data some of which I posted becuase you want to spread trumps fucked up agenda , you're bias, so fuck you. I say that becuase teaching kids and I mean young kids is what we call the family business and it's ignorant s like you that endanger everyone . I have three Teachers here in my family and you have no idea what it is they are doing to keep the kids and themselves safe( at their own expense) since it seems trump and people like you don't give a shit!


To everyone else I apologize for the rant."

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

It’s cool everyone is high fiving his death. Good for y’all

It’s completely incompetent especially with him being high risk not to wear a mask. I don’t get the politics...it’s annoying. Even though I have a list of media articles which stated wearing masks wouldn’t help in March and April, I’ve always believed in them.

I don’t know why he would ignore the science and data...it reminds me now of the incompetence of people who think they shouldn’t have kids back in school. Why is there politics about the data and facts? There is little to no evidence of transmission from children to adults and we know the flu is more deadly than covid when it comes to the kids. And we know what community this will hurt the most.

RIP Cain, a CEO and business Jedi...highly intelligent and innovative. Raised poor but raised in a great family. Never claim victim status and lived the American dream while inspiring others to do the same. Cain crime is...he was a conservative.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/william.../#7752a7d019fd

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

https://www.forbes.com/sites/william.../#7752a7d019fd

Thanks...looks like one study hasn’t been peer reviewed and the other found-if I’m reading this right- young child 0-5 may be more apt to spread than 5-17? So 0-5 aren’t in school.

I still point to Sweden...never had a lockdown and have 1
Million students. There hasn’t been a cases associated where transmission between student and teacher.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Thanks...looks like one study hasn’t been peer reviewed and the other found-if I’m reading this right- young child 0-5 may be more apt to spread than 5-17? So 0-5 aren’t in school.

I still point to Sweden...never had a lockdown and have 1
Million students. There hasn’t been a cases associated where transmission between student and teacher.

That's what it looks like they're saying,and that they could be the driving force behind the spread.And when you think about it,it kinda makes sense,they are the ones that are going to be the least sanitary,not covering their mouths when they sneeze,less likely to be wearing a mask,etc etc.

As far as students in Sweden,I dont know if those facts are true but that seems very hard to believe,but possible I guess if they are following strict guidelines wearing their mask,washing hands etc

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Thanks...looks like one study hasn’t been peer reviewed and the other found-if I’m reading this right- young child 0-5 may be more apt to spread than 5-17? So 0-5 aren’t in school.

I still point to Sweden...never had a lockdown and have 1
Million students. There hasn’t been a cases associated where transmission between student and teacher.

What age is best for kindergarten?

Many children have the social, physical, and rudimentary academic skills necessary to start kindergarten by 5 or 6, but for kids who are born just before the cut-off date (making them the youngest kids in their class) or who are experiencing a slight delay, it may be better to wait a year.Mar 19, 2020

[SunnySide]

Re the school debate.

Its a very local decision, at least in Maryland. Each county school board decides whether to go virtual or open. If a county decides to go open or staggered, then the parents decide whether they want to opt out or not.

Howard County floated a staggered opening so the kids would be in groups and attend some days and not others. Parents could opt out. We opted out so did the 4 other families we know.

Howard County then went all virtual for Fall.

Parents will decide what is best for their kids. Period.

[MTK]

What a shit show this mask stuff has become. God only knows how many deaths were completely preventable and how long this pandemic is going to drag on because of pure stupidity. The virus doesn't care about your politics or beliefs.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by MTK

What a shit show this mask stuff has become. God only knows how many deaths were completely preventable and how long this pandemic is going to drag on because of pure stupidity. The virus doesn't care about your politics or beliefs.

This, Amen!

[SunnySide]

That’s rich coming from the guy who went out of his way to call the protestor killed a “coward” and seemed to celebrate his death.

I state 2 facts, wish him well ... but I’m high fiving someone’s death?

C’est la vie

[SunnySide]

Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan on Monday revoked the authority of county officials to mandate schools close amid a clash with local health officials.

Local health officials in Maryland's Montgomery County last week made the decision to keep private and parochial schools closed through October for in-person learning, arguing that having students in the classroom would present a danger to pupils and teachers as the state grapples with COVID-19.

But Hogan amended an emergency executive order, which he issued April 5, that allowed local health departments to have the authority to close any individual facility deemed to be unsafe. He called the Montgomery County mandate "overly broad."

"The recovery plan for Maryland public schools stresses local flexibility within the parameters set by state officials," Hogan said in a statement. "Over the last several weeks, school boards and superintendents made their own decisions about how and when to reopen public schools, after consultation with state and local health officials."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mar...irtual-schools


Health officials were the ones who made the decision.

I am 100% certain Hogan only did this at the WH bidding bc of the optics of Trumps son Barron having to do virtual school.

If Barron had gone to a private school in NoVa .. I guarantee Hogan wouldnt have done this. I voted for Hogan but cutting the money for the new PG Hospital and this ... to bad the maryland dems decided to go with an unelectable candidate last go around.

[mooby]

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...QW3mLf2LroIyiQ

If there was one way to summarize my political leanings, this article would be it. I am sure some of you will ignore it or find one sentence that wasn't well researched to point out how the entire article is flawed. But you ain't gonna sway me that Trump is better than this, so save your typing.

Here's a few choice quotes:

When the Japanese within six weeks of Pearl Harbor took control of 90 percent of the world’s rubber supply, the U.S. dropped the speed limit to 35 mph to protect tires, and then, in three years, invented from scratch a synthetic-rubber industry that allowed Allied armies to roll over the Nazis. At its peak, Henry Ford’s Willow Run Plant produced a B-24 Liberator every two hours, around the clock. Shipyards in Long Beach and Sausalito spat out Liberty ships at a rate of two a day for four years; the record was a ship built in four days, 15 hours and 29 minutes. A single American factory, Chrysler’s Detroit Arsenal, built more tanks than the whole of the Third Reich.

In the wake of the war, with Europe and Japan in ashes, the United States with but 6 percent of the world’s population accounted for half of the global economy, including the production of 93 percent of all automobiles. Such economic dominance birthed a vibrant middle class, a trade union movement that allowed a single breadwinner with limited education to own a home and a car, support a family, and send his kids to good schools. It was not by any means a perfect world but affluence allowed for a truce between capital and labor, a reciprocity of opportunity in a time of rapid growth and declining income inequality, marked by high tax rates for the wealthy, who were by no means the only beneficiaries of a golden age of American capitalism.

But freedom and affluence came with a price. The United States, virtually a demilitarized nation on the eve of the Second World War, never stood down in the wake of victory. To this day, American troops are deployed in 150 countries. Since the 1970s, China has not once gone to war; the U.S. has not spent a day at peace. President Jimmy Carter recently noted that in its 242-year history, America has enjoyed only 16 years of peace, making it, as he wrote, “the most warlike nation in the history of the world.” Since 2001, the U.S. has spent over $6 trillion on military operations and war, money that might have been invested in the infrastructure of home. China, meanwhile, built its nation, pouring more cement every three years than America did in the entire 20th century.

With slogans like “24/7” celebrating complete dedication to the workplace, men and women exhausted themselves in jobs that only reinforced their isolation from their families. The average American father spends less than 20 minutes a day in direct communication with his child. By the time a youth reaches 18, he or she will have spent fully two years watching television or staring at a laptop screen, contributing to an obesity epidemic that the Joint Chiefs have called a national security crisis.

Only half of Americans report having meaningful, face-to-face social interactions on a daily basis. The nation consumes two-thirds of the world’s production of antidepressant drugs. The collapse of the working-class family has been responsible in part for an opioid crisis that has displaced car accidents as the leading cause of death for Americans under 50.

At the root of this transformation and decline lies an ever-widening chasm between Americans who have and those who have little or nothing. Economic disparities exist in all nations, creating a tension that can be as disruptive as the inequities are unjust. In any number of settings, however, the negative forces tearing apart a society are mitigated or even muted if there are other elements that reinforce social solidarity — religious faith, the strength and comfort of family, the pride of tradition, fidelity to the land, a spirit of place.

But when all the old certainties are shown to be lies, when the promise of a good life for a working family is shattered as factories close and corporate leaders, growing wealthier by the day, ship jobs abroad, the social contract is irrevocably broken. For two generations, America has celebrated globalization with iconic intensity, when, as any working man or woman can see, it’s nothing more than capital on the prowl in search of ever cheaper sources of labor.

For many years, those on the conservative right in the United States have invoked a nostalgia for the 1950s, and an America that never was, but has to be presumed to have existed to rationalize their sense of loss and abandonment, their fear of change, their bitter resentments and lingering contempt for the social movements of the 1960s, a time of new aspirations for women, gays, and people of color. In truth, at least in economic terms, the country of the 1950s resembled Denmark as much as the America of today. Marginal tax rates for the wealthy were 90 percent. The salaries of CEOs were, on average, just 20 times that of their mid-management employees.

Today, the base pay of those at the top is commonly 400 times that of their salaried staff, with many earning orders of magnitude more in stock options and perks. The elite one percent of Americans control $30 trillion of assets, while the bottom half have more debt than assets. The three richest Americans have more money than the poorest 160 million of their countrymen. Fully a fifth of American households have zero or negative net worth, a figure that rises to 37 percent for black families. The median wealth of black households is a tenth that of whites. The vast majority of Americans — white, black, and brown — are two paychecks removed from bankruptcy. Though living in a nation that celebrates itself as the wealthiest in history, most Americans live on a high wire, with no safety net to brace a fall.

With the COVID crisis, 40 million Americans lost their jobs, and 3.3 million businesses shut down, including 41 percent of all black-owned enterprises. Black Americans, who significantly outnumber whites in federal prisons despite being but 13 percent of the population, are suffering shockingly high rates of morbidity and mortality, dying at nearly three times the rate of white Americans. The cardinal rule of American social policy — don’t let any ethnic group get below the blacks, or allow anyone to suffer more indignities — rang true even in a pandemic, as if the virus was taking its cues from American history.

COVID-19 didn’t lay America low; it simply revealed what had long been forsaken. As the crisis unfolded, with another American dying every minute of every day, a country that once turned out fighter planes by the hour could not manage to produce the paper masks or cotton swabs essential for tracking the disease. The nation that defeated smallpox and polio, and led the world for generations in medical innovation and discovery, was reduced to a laughing stock as a buffoon of a president advocated the use of household disinfectants as a treatment for a disease that intellectually he could not begin to understand.

Odious as he may be, Trump is less the cause of America’s decline than a product of its descent. As they stare into the mirror and perceive only the myth of their exceptionalism, Americans remain almost bizarrely incapable of seeing what has actually become of their country. The republic that defined the free flow of information as the life blood of democracy, today ranks 45th among nations when it comes to press freedom. In a land that once welcomed the huddled masses of the world, more people today favor building a wall along the southern border than supporting health care and protection for the undocumented mothers and children arriving in desperation at its doors. In a complete abandonment of the collective good, U.S. laws define freedom as an individual’s inalienable right to own a personal arsenal of weaponry, a natural entitlement that trumps even the safety of children; in the past decade alone 346 American students and teachers have been shot on school grounds.

The American cult of the individual denies not just community but the very idea of society. No one owes anything to anyone. All must be prepared to fight for everything: education, shelter, food, medical care. What every prosperous and successful democracy deems to be fundamental rights — universal health care, equal access to quality public education, a social safety net for the weak, elderly, and infirmed — America dismisses as socialist indulgences, as if so many signs of weakness.

This has nothing to do with political ideology, and everything to do with the quality of life. Finns live longer and are less likely to die in childhood or in giving birth than Americans. Danes earn roughly the same after-tax income as Americans, while working 20 percent less. They pay in taxes an extra 19 cents for every dollar earned. But in return they get free health care, free education from pre-school through university, and the opportunity to prosper in a thriving free-market economy with dramatically lower levels of poverty, homelessness, crime, and inequality. The average worker is paid better, treated more respectfully, and rewarded with life insurance, pension plans, maternity leave, and six weeks of paid vacation a year. All of these benefits only inspire Danes to work harder, with fully 80 percent of men and women aged 16 to 64 engaged in the labor force, a figure far higher than that of the United States.

American politicians dismiss the Scandinavian model as creeping socialism, communism lite, something that would never work in the United States. In truth, social democracies are successful precisely because they foment dynamic capitalist economies that just happen to benefit every tier of society. That social democracy will never take hold in the United States may well be true, but, if so, it is a stunning indictment, and just what Oscar Wilde had in mind when he quipped that the United States was the only country to go from barbarism to decadence without passing through civilization.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by mooby

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...QW3mLf2LroIyiQ

If there was one way to summarize my political leanings, this article would be it. I am sure some of you will ignore it or find one sentence that wasn't well researched to point out how the entire article is flawed. But you ain't gonna sway me that Trump is better than this, so save your typing.

Here's a few choice quotes:

Good morning Moody. Well written article (I only read the exerts you quoted).

I watched Wall-E last night and its message resonated with this article. While I agree with the article .. I also dont agree.

The American dream is very much alive and achievable .... if you get lucky.

Lucky - I have a friend who works at Giant just returning carts from the parking lot. He is union and I he makes almost $20 an hour with health. This guy is somewhat of a space cadet and couldnt work an office job or even a cashier job. He lives in a townhouse similar to mine but has a roommate.

Lucky and lazy (truly what is wrong with America) - Neighbors down the street, parents do not work at all. have 5 kids. Yeah they live on the poverty line but they just bought their son one of those hover board things for his birthday and live in a town house exactly like mine. All sugar foods, leave trash everywhere. The State pays for everything. The landlord is kicking them out .. but they told me they have a realtor helping them find a new rental home? Covid money? Went on vacation to fucking Florida.

Unlucky - On the flip side, my ex cannot find a job, she has interviewed a billion times with multiple grocery stores but no hire. No one wants to hire full time 40 hours. All these laces will offer you part time if you are lucky. Then you have to get lucky finding another part time job whose hours will harmonize with your other part time job.

America has failed her. She would be in a homeless shelter if I dont pay about 2.5k every month for her apartment, food, utilities etc.

Sorry for the rant .. American dream is achievable .. my ex just has to catch a break .. meanwhile people who arent even trying to find a job just live off the State and pop out a bunch of kids that go to school less than half the time and have no hope of being productive ... idk

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Good morning Moody. Well written article (I only read the exerts you quoted).

I watched Wall-E last night and its message resonated with this article. While I agree with the article .. I also dont agree.

The American dream is very much alive and achievable .... if you get lucky.

Lucky - I have a friend who works at Giant just returning carts from the parking lot. He is union and I he makes almost $20 an hour with health. This guy is somewhat of a space cadet and couldnt work an office job or even a cashier job. He lives in a townhouse similar to mine but has a roommate.

Lucky and lazy (truly what is wrong with America) - Neighbors down the street, parents do not work at all. have 5 kids. Yeah they live on the poverty line but they just bought their son one of those hover board things for his birthday and live in a town house exactly like mine. All sugar foods, leave trash everywhere. The State pays for everything. The landlord is kicking them out .. but they told me they have a realtor helping them find a new rental home? Covid money? Went on vacation to fucking Florida.

Unlucky - On the flip side, my ex cannot find a job, she has interviewed a billion times with multiple grocery stores but no hire. No one wants to hire full time 40 hours. All these laces will offer you part time if you are lucky. Then you have to get lucky finding another part time job whose hours will harmonize with your other part time job.

America has failed her. She would be in a homeless shelter if I dont pay about 2.5k every month for her apartment, food, utilities etc.

Sorry for the rant .. American dream is achievable .. my ex just has to catch a break .. meanwhile people who arent even trying to find a job just live off the State and pop out a bunch of kids that go to school less than half the time and have no hope of being productive ... idk

You make good points too Sunny, and I agree for the most part. I think we can both agree that the system is broken right now, even if it's not broken for everyone.