Trade Deadline Moves

skinsfan69 · 10-22-2018, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

FUK!

First round trades have worked SO WELL for JJ in the past......Joey Galloway (2 first rounders).....Roy Williams......now Amari Cooper.....

I know Cooper can play WR. I am still not convinced that Dak can play QB and get him the ball.

Some people never learn. It's not a good trade at all. The guy can't catch and will want a new deal. As Matty mentioned, just draft Ridley or be patient and wait until the 19 draft. Cowboys aren't going anywhere anyway w/ Dak under center.

MTK · 10-22-2018, 03:20 PM

Cowboys should have just drafted Ridley

Chico23231 · 10-22-2018, 03:22 PM

First round pick? Desperation

Daseal · 10-22-2018, 03:35 PM

I wanted the skins to go after Cooper, but a 1 is ridiculous. A 3rd max - he's on the last year of his rookie deal. Next year you either need to do the 5th year option (~16M I believe) or renegotiate with the chance of losing him in FA.... wow. Gives the Raiders 3 1sts in the 2019 draft and 2 in 2020.

I would have liked to get Carlos Hyde for a 5th. In my opinion if we want a chance of making the playoffs this year, we need someone else at the RB position. Maybe Bibbs can be that answer. We're headed into week 8 and AP is already nursing a lot of injuries. He's playing really well, but as soon as he goes down we're out of options. Thompson shouldn't be run every down,and hasn't been a factor this year anyhow, Perine runs small... Bibbs has some potential but not sure I want him as my every down back.

NC_Skins · 10-22-2018, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

I wanted the skins to go after Cooper, but a 1 is ridiculous. A 3rd max - he's on the last year of his rookie deal.

Patriots gave up a 5th rounder for Josh Gordan. Why in the hell would anybody even waste a 3rd on a guy who's best attribute is being consistent about being inconsistent.

sevier2 · 10-22-2018, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Patriots gave up a 5th rounder for Josh Gordan. Why in the hell would anybody even waste a 3rd on a guy who's best attribute is being consistent about being inconsistent.

Cooper doesn't come with the Off-the-field issues and is younger.

jamf · 10-22-2018, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Patriots gave up a 5th rounder for Josh Gordan. Why in the hell would anybody even waste a 3rd on a guy who's best attribute is being consistent about being inconsistent.

Gordan is a puff puff pass away from getting banned for life.

Cooper has a pair of 1000yard seasons and is only 24. If he would've ended up with Brees, he would be a ProBowler.

Fortunately for us, he has Dak.

Daseal · 10-22-2018, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Patriots gave up a 5th rounder for Josh Gordan. Why in the hell would anybody even waste a 3rd on a guy who's best attribute is being consistent about being inconsistent.

Cooper drops balls, no doubt - he's also had back to back 1000 yard seasons. Something none of our receivers are going to sniff and we haven't for a long time. When it comes to Gordon, he also has substance abuse issues and is one screw up from never playing again, he's older than Cooper, and was coming off not playing the past 3 seasons.

Let's look at our history of 3rd round picks (reverse chronological order):

Geron Christian
Fabian Monreau
Kendall Fuller
Matt Jones
Morgan Moses
Spencer Long
Jordan Reed

Outside Reed, Moses, and maybe Fuller (not evaluating Christian yet) - I'd take Amari over the rest. Even with inconsistency. That's why I'd be willing to give up a 3rd for a young player that has had impressive production even with a major, but fixable, flaw.

I think a 1st was too much, especially with the contract costs that will come with it so I'm glad the skins didn't try to pursue, but I don't think a 3rd for Cooper is crazy. I'd definitely take Cooper over Gordon. Rather have a guy that can be on the field to catch balls rather than a constantly suspended player. The Redskins locker room also isn't as strong as the Patriots.

jamf · 10-22-2018, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

Cooper drops balls, no doubt - he's also had back to back 1000 yard seasons. Something none of our receivers are going to sniff and we haven't for a long time. When it comes to Gordon, he also has substance abuse issues and is one screw up from never playing again, he's older than Cooper, and was coming off not playing the past 3 seasons.

Let's look at our history of 3rd round picks (reverse chronological order):

Geron Christian
Fabian Monreau
Kendall Fuller
Matt Jones
Morgan Moses
Spencer Long
Jordan Reed

Outside Reed, Moses, and maybe Fuller (not evaluating Christian yet) - I'd take Amari over the rest. Even with inconsistency. That's why I'd be willing to give up a 3rd for a young player that has had impressive production even with a major, but fixable, flaw.

I think a 1st was too much, especially with the contract costs that will come with it so I'm glad the skins didn't try to pursue, but I don't think a 3rd for Cooper is crazy. I'd definitely take Cooper over Gordon. Rather have a guy that can be on the field to catch balls rather than a constantly suspended player. The Redskins locker room also isn't as strong as the Patriots.

Our 2nd Round picks have been less productive than our 3rds!
Going back 10 years:

2008: Thomas, Davis, Kelly
2011: Jarvis Jenkins
2013: Amerson
2014: Murphy
2015: Preston Smith
2016: Pussy ass bitch
2017: Anderson
2018: Guice

I have a lot of hope for Guice but our 2nd rounders have been cursed.

Chico23231 · 10-22-2018, 03:39 PM

https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dal...tats-last-year

Article from Dallas news last December examining the drop rate of Dez...come to find out Amari Cooper only had more total drops.

MTK · 10-22-2018, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dal...tats-last-year

Article from Dallas news last December examining the drop rate of Dez...come to find out Amari Cooper only had more total drops.

Great, so in a few years when Cooper is on the street we'll have to listen to Skins fans begging to sign him?

NC_Skins · 10-22-2018, 03:41 PM

That's two days in a row a Gruden has straight fucked the Cowboys.

I guess they didn't learn their lesson after Joey Galloway or Roy Williams.

mooby · 10-22-2018, 03:42 PM

Man I can't understate how thrilled I am that the Cowboys, and not us, were the ones to give up a first rounder for Cooper.

JoeRedskin · 10-22-2018, 04:07 PM

As others have said, better them than us. Hopefully, it works out just as well as their other trades of 1st round picks for receivers has. Really smacks of desperation to me.

Meanwhile, in other news, Oakland trades away all their starters for future draft picks. Derek Carr to Jacksonville is next.

JoeRedskin · 10-22-2018, 04:13 PM

As I was saying:

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NFL Update‏ @MySportsUpdate:
Oakland might not be done: #Raiders are still open to moving CB Gareon Conley and S Karl Joseph.

12:24 PM - 22 Oct 2018

https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/s...53492201480194

Don't know if this is a reliable feed or a Russian bot, but it is certainly consistent with Jon Gruden's plan so far. <sarcasm font on> Oakland GM McKenzie: "This is just fine."

10-22-2018, 03:20 PM	#2
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,850	Re: Trade Deadline Moves Cowboys should have just drafted Ridley __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

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Chico23231 Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 35,051	Re: Trade Deadline Moves First round pick? Desperation

10-22-2018, 03:35 PM	#4
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Re: Trade Deadline Moves I wanted the skins to go after Cooper, but a 1 is ridiculous. A 3rd max - he's on the last year of his rookie deal. Next year you either need to do the 5th year option (~16M I believe) or renegotiate with the chance of losing him in FA.... wow. Gives the Raiders 3 1sts in the 2019 draft and 2 in 2020. I would have liked to get Carlos Hyde for a 5th. In my opinion if we want a chance of making the playoffs this year, we need someone else at the RB position. Maybe Bibbs can be that answer. We're headed into week 8 and AP is already nursing a lot of injuries. He's playing really well, but as soon as he goes down we're out of options. Thompson shouldn't be run every down,and hasn't been a factor this year anyhow, Perine runs small... Bibbs has some potential but not sure I want him as my every down back. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

10-22-2018, 03:39 PM	#10
Chico23231 Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 35,051	Re: Trade Deadline Moves https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dal...tats-last-year Article from Dallas news last December examining the drop rate of Dez...come to find out Amari Cooper only had more total drops.

10-22-2018, 03:41 PM	#12
NC_Skins Gamebreaker Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 14,602	Re: Trade Deadline Moves That's two days in a row a Gruden has straight fucked the Cowboys. I guess they didn't learn their lesson after Joey Galloway or Roy Williams. __________________ "So let me get this straight. We have the event of the year on TV with millions watching around the world... and people want a punt, pass, and kick competition to be the halftime entertainment?? Folks, don't quit your day jobs."- Matty

10-22-2018, 03:42 PM	#13
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,577	Re: Trade Deadline Moves Man I can't understate how thrilled I am that the Cowboys, and not us, were the ones to give up a first rounder for Cooper.

10-22-2018, 04:07 PM	#14
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 62 Posts: 10,401	Re: Trade Deadline Moves As others have said, better them than us. Hopefully, it works out just as well as their other trades of 1st round picks for receivers has. Really smacks of desperation to me. Meanwhile, in other news, Oakland trades away all their starters for future draft picks. Derek Carr to Jacksonville is next. __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

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