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Re: Dan Snyder: WP: Formula for Success Article
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I cringe everytime i hear commercials touting a place as being successful because it's been around a long time. That does not define success. Nothing is farther from the truth. An owner with deep pockets, etc., a place can survive generations and still be bleeding out cash year by year. Snyder isn't going broke anytime soon. There's nothing stopping him from ruining the skins to beyond repair in that time. He has, whether knowingly or not, cultivated a poisonous atmosphere that is in no way conducive to success. Lots of folks, myself included, feel that the team will never have a fair chance until Snyder is gone and somebody competent owns the team. A successful organization, which is NOT the same thing as being around for a long time, has became successful because the person in charge knows about the business and knows what it takes to succeed. 99% of your huge companies out there right now have owners in place that are hands off. they know next to nothing about how to run the company because thats why they have auditors and professional staff. I hate to cite reality TV, but if Undercover boss has shown me anything, most of the owners really don't have a freaking clue about day to day operation. For the most part they are good people that just want to do the right thing, but really have no knowledge about their product or the procedure behind any given thing that is done or why..... The other 1% or small businesses where the owner puts in lots of work, runs the whole company, etc....
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With Gibbs, most accounts are that while he involved himself with the players personally, football decisions were entrusted to Gibbs but Gibbs believed in a strong owner so Snyder could "meddle" some. Cerrato, the leach was always there, and when Gibbs left Cerrato became the trusted guy. Cerrato was and I think is a spineless no nothing who pushed his agenda ahead of the best for football. And Cerrato's bad decisions gave Snyder impetus to push and be overly involved. Shanallen, I think we finally start to see some level of backing away, where mainly Shanahan but also Allen could push ideas without direct interference. Maybe once in a while on a handful of decisions over 4 years Snyder personally intervened, but percentage wise, and over the vast numbers of decisions, where to have training camp, when Griffin played this season, who the assistant coaches were, etc etc, we didn't see Snyders hand like we did under Cerrato, and certainly not like with Turner/Schottenheimer. Now we have Allen. Snyder absolutely trusts Allen. I hope it's trust well placed, but clearly, no move so far can be pointed to as a Snyder override of Allen's grand plan. And SS84, way to be overly dramatic about Snyder "ruining the Skins beyond repair". I think they sell a Skins Repair kit in WalMart (aisle 5). |
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Snyder's going to own the team for at least a couple more decades, I fear. Maybe he'll "get it" eventually. I believe even being a stereotypical "hands off" owner takes managerial skill dealing with the people at the top of the organization, even if he doesn't meddle in football matters, so I'm not saying Snyder's job would be easy if he were to be the owner we all wish he would be. It's just I've heard that Snyder's changed, too many times. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Maybe we'll hear from enough people, once they're out of the organization for good, that Snyder really has stayed out of football matters. Or we'll start winning again in which case it's all good. Winning does "solve" everything. HTTR |
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Snyder meddled under Shanahan? Prove it. I have seen zero evidence for this which is not just Shanahan crapping on everyone on the way out the door. Offer real evidence that is indisputably not just Shanahan spin. You can talk about the past all you want. But until you offer evidence from the present, which you have not done despite a call for it, you are engaging in pointless rumor-mongering.
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Gruden is the 8th head coach under Snyder. We know Snyder wasn't "hands off" for all but Shanahan. And whether Snyder was "hands off" with Shanny is disputed. How many times should we assume, "Yeah, he's changed this time."? |
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Perhaps you are right. I shall now presume that this year is 2008 because it was 2008 before. Of course that means that you cannot comment on this post because you are not a Warpath member in 2008. It's a shame that things never change, isn't it?
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Bruce Allen when in charge alone: 4-12 (.250) Bruce Allen's overall Redskins record : 28-52 (.350) Vinny Cerrato's record when in charge alone: 52-65 (.444) Vinny's overall Redskins record: 62-82 (.430) We won more with Vinny Last edited by Lotus; 01-31-2014 at 08:58 PM. |
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Firing a guy for not winning happens EVERY year in the NFL to around 6-8 coaches. He's definitely NOT doing the same thing over and over, he's tried every angle for hiring a coach you could do: bought the team:
my points are: 1) DS has tried every method of getting the right guy 2) the last 10 years he has shown himself more patient. The only exception is Zorn, but if he had kept Zorn into year 3 Fedex would have seen riots. I just think it's wrong to say Snyder isn't evolving. It's just that growing into a good NFL owner rarely happens quickly. |
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Bruce Allen when in charge alone: 4-12 (.250) Bruce Allen's overall Redskins record : 28-52 (.350) Vinny Cerrato's record when in charge alone: 52-65 (.444) Vinny's overall Redskins record: 62-82 (.430) We won more with Vinny |
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Re: Dan Snyder: WP: Formula for Success Article
You get 10 Harold Bloom points for the Of Mice and Men reference.
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