When is Enough ,Enough?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Just like it was collusion...just like it was obstruction...just like Kavanaugh...???.....media keeps lying

So there better be a crime such as quid pro quo...but it doesn’t look like it

No, you're right Chico. Just trying to coerce the President of the Ukraine into helping you defeat an opponent in the next election by withholding 400 million of aid isn't enough. We have to prove they were working in tandem to defeat Joe Biden (who is so old he will probably defeat himself anyways) for this to go anywhere.

Also can you clarify who's lying: Is it the media or the democrat spy whistleblower who needs to be exposed because Trump has the right to face his accuser?

[Chico23231]

There was no quid quo pro...it’s not in the transcripts and confirmed by the Ukrainians

Remember, the Pres didn’t have the release any of the transcripts...it within his executive power to keep them confidential. Also the nyt fake news report about pressuring Australia was quickly crushed by a letter from the Australian government offering help to investigate mueller report origin.

I would suggest the referencing Clinton era Ukraine Treaty 106-16 which Biden voted in favor of...

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

There was no quid quo pro...it’s not in the transcripts and confirmed by the Ukrainians

Remember, the Pres didn’t have the release any of the transcripts...it within his executive power to keep them confidential. Also the nyt fake news report about pressuring Australia was quickly crushed by a letter from the Australian government offering help to investigate mueller report origin.

I would suggest the referencing Clinton era Ukraine Treaty 106-16 which Biden voted in favor of...

............and right on cue , fake new, fake news media , it's effing laughable to watch you try to defend trumps crimes. Chico your hate filled bias is showing.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

............and right on cue , fake new, fake news media , it's effing laughable to watch you try to defend trumps crimes. Chico your hate filled bias is showing.

So the mainstream media didn't perpetuate fake theories and fake narratives concerning the Russian collusion and obstruction fairy tales? What about the lies and fake narratives in the Kavanaugh which continues to this day: https://nypost.com/2019/09/16/new-yo...ett-kavanaugh/ "New York Times corrects story detailing misconduct claim against Brett Kavanaugh" Sept 16th

The Covington Kids and continuous fake racial hoaxes lies they spread without doing any research or fact gathering?

Folks, we don't need to worry about Russia, the mainstream media has pushed lies and false narratives seeking to undermine the administration since day 1.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

So the mainstream media didn't perpetuate fake theories and fake narratives concerning the Russian collusion and obstruction fairy tales? What about the lies and fake narratives in the Kavanaugh which continues to this day: https://nypost.com/2019/09/16/new-yo...ett-kavanaugh/ "New York Times corrects story detailing misconduct claim against Brett Kavanaugh" Sept 16th

The Covington Kids and continuous fake racial hoaxes lies they spread without doing any research or fact gathering?

Folks, we don't need to worry about Russia, the mainstream media has pushed lies and false narratives seeking to undermine the administration since day 1.

chico you're past the tin foil hat stage.............

[TheMalcolmConnection]

For argument's sake, on both sides (DO NOT MENTION FOX NEWS OR CNN OR YOU GET NEGATIVE POINTS), find some neutral sources (many, many of them exist) and tell me there's not still a MAJOR issue with what went down.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

For argument's sake, on both sides (DO NOT MENTION FOX NEWS OR CNN OR YOU GET NEGATIVE POINTS), find some neutral sources (many, many of them exist) and tell me there's not still a MAJOR issue with what went down.

This is an interesting take...................


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/t...vists-n1060646


This timeline breakdown is another good one.............

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...-timeline-now/

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

This is an interesting take...................


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/t...vists-n1060646


This timeline breakdown is another good one.............

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...-timeline-now/

LOL....from your first article : "There's a certain feeling of injustice"

FACT: Based on our treaty there is NO injustice. YOU can FEEL all you want, but FACTS trump that feeling.

Sorry

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

LOL....from your first article : "There's a certain feeling of injustice"

FACT: Based on our treaty there is NO injustice. YOU can FEEL all you want, but FACTS trump that feeling.

Sorry

LOL, from those two article's and video's .........that's what you took away??????

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

For argument's sake, on both sides (DO NOT MENTION FOX NEWS OR CNN OR YOU GET NEGATIVE POINTS), find some neutral sources (many, many of them exist) and tell me there's not still a MAJOR issue with what went down.

I agree and it looks terrible. But was there a quid pro quo? that's a crime, I just need evidence...and folks should go to jail.

I just don't like the framing.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I agree and it looks terrible. But was there a quid pro quo? that's a crime, I just need evidence...and folks should go to jail.

I just don't like the framing.

Punishments like jail time will work their way out as an impeachment inquiry moves forward and more facts are brought to light. But set aside whether you think a crime was actually committed by the president for a second. I'd like to ask you whether you think you could vote for Trump again in 2020, knowing what you know now, having read the transcripts of the conversations with the Ukrainian president?

For crimes to result in punishment, our criminal justice system requires evidence. But voters don't, they just need to side with whichever candidate is more appealing (or, the lesser of two evils).

Given how bad you say this looks, could you vote for Trump again?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Punishments like jail time will work their way out as an impeachment inquiry moves forward and more facts are brought to light. But set aside whether you think a crime was actually committed by the president for a second. I'd like to ask you whether you think you could vote for Trump again in 2020, knowing what you know now, having read the transcripts of the conversations with the Ukrainian president?

For crimes to result in punishment, our criminal justice system requires evidence. But voters don't, they just need to side with whichever candidate is more appealing (or, the lesser of two evils).

Given how bad you say this looks, could you vote for Trump again?

I think the whistler blower inquiry is legit and from matching what he said to the transcripts...most things match up. I don't think there is pressuring or a qpq...David French had a good article and said as a prosecutor he could walk it towards back starching. Its a stretch given executive powers. BUT its strange where multiple first hand accounts...state department and others were on the call listening in, would we think trump would commit an obvious crime in front of an audience?

Voting, meh too early to say. I listen to all the arguments...several have been eliminated and they are the socialist.

And hope Bernie gets better, he provides strong points of view even if I disagree with 98% of them. But want him to get well, he's a good dude at heart.

And to add, I might be delusional...I’ve been up since 430 and running reports and sql st since 6...coverage issue...my coffee intake is at heart attack level

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I think the whistler blower inquiry is legit and from matching what he said to the transcripts...most things match up. I don't think there is pressuring or a qpq...David French had a good article and said as a prosecutor he could walk it towards back starching. Its a stretch given executive powers. BUT its strange where multiple first hand accounts...state department and others were on the call listening in, would we think trump would commit an obvious crime in front of an audience?

Voting, meh too early to say. I listen to all the arguments...several have been eliminated and they are the socialist.

And hope Bernie gets better, he provides strong points of view even if I disagree with 98% of them. But want him to get well, he's a good dude at heart.

And to add, I might be delusional...I’ve been up since 430 and running reports and sql st since 6...coverage issue...my coffee intake is at heart attack level

Chico,

If the whistler blower is BS it will be discovered that's not for trump to decide and for him to say he wants to meet him is witness tampering the law is the law and it protects the whistle blower like it or not .Giuliani is trumps biggest nightmare ,he can't shut up.
Trump today asked china to investigate Biden....he is openly inviting other countries to interfere with our elections no press made that up turn on any station and you hear it for yourself. Trump has gone off the deep end and I believe it's becuase he knows he has gotten caught. Nixon acted the same way but not to this degree.

[Schneed10]

Chico I can't decide if you're gullible, stupid, or delusional. But it's definitely one of those.

[Chico23231]

^G1, if the experts are saying it and its criminal....this is really simple...enough of the show, BRING charges and impeach.

Do the democrats have the balls to give the President due process...