We've got big trouble on the OL.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by RGIII

What type of camp is Massie having right now? He's probably getting run over the "Rob Jacksons" of the league...

this made me laugh...Poor ole Willie, Rob Jackson is just playin to rough for him. Go over and sit between Kory L and effing Jamal Brown on the bench.


Dear Baby Jesus, please turn Tom "City of" Compton into a average RT.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I've never really understood the "I don't know if there were any good linemen at that point in the draft, but we should have taken one anyway" argument

Drafting for need over BPA is never a good plan.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Drafting for need over BPA is never a good plan.

I say it depends. If you have two players that are one or two points apart on your board and one fits a need then generally speaking the one that fits the need is obviously the better fit.

I feel like the part where teams get in trouble comes when they reach past 5 or 10 available players for a guy that happens to fit a need.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Full disclosure, I dont feel great about the line and I was hoping that they would address the t and guard spots in FA.

I got on the cousins thing because others brought it up and I don't see why that is really that important now. Because as I see it I don't see any fourth round tackles that would have been anything more this year then depth. Say for example next draft we bring in a day one starting t with our second round pick. In that scenario we still have cousins and a t ready to play next year. Which is most likely where you may want to start playing a fourth round guy.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

Because as I see it I don't see any fourth round tackles that would have been anything more this year then depth. Say for example next draft we bring in a day one starting t with our second round pick. In that scenario we still have cousins and a t ready to play next year. Which is most likely where you may want to start playing a fourth round guy.

But why limit address the RT position only to the 4th round pick?
Why not the 3rd pick? There have been 3rd round RT that came on, start and play well. (Ryan Harris IIRC)

Also, based on Willie Smith and Maurice Hurt level of play both of which were arguable/visibly better then Jammaml Brown. (Which is also backed up by profootball focus advanced metrics)
Then I would argue if an UDFA rookie and a 6-7th round pick graded out better then Jammal Brown chances are pretty good that a 3rd/4th round RT would have been better then JB. (not to mention without a chronic hip condition)

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

30. I am not limiting the round of the pick and nor am I saying that we couldn't have used a tackle in the third or fourth round. There is a method to the skins FO madness and to this point they have done a decent job of turning over the team to get more productive guys.

Like I said above I would have liked to have seen a different approach in FA where there was opportunity to upgrade the position with the money that was spent on Morgan in particular.

I am sure that the RT spot is something where the Skins are looking for a long term solution but during this offseason and draft they didn't find the "right" player to put their resources into.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

There is a method to the skins FO madness and to this point they have done a decent job of turning over the team to get more productive guys.

There maybe a method.
And I agree that by and large the FO is doing a good job.
It bugs the heck out of me that being critical of a specific decision somehow implies disagreement with the process as a whole.

...but during this offseason and draft they didn't find the "right" player to put their resources into.

It can be framed in whichever light you like, but the end result was Jammal Brown.

Its just that with a rookie QB, heading into a fairly important season (record-wise) it would be nice to have a more solid solution at RT.
Imo murphy laws applies to football and wherever a team has a weakness or lack of depth that is gonna become the critical area/weakest link.
A weak link on the OL can serious hinder an offense, especially an offense trying to bring along a rookie QB.

I'm hopeful that Tyler will step up, I'm actually assuming that Tyler had to factor into the FO comfort level at the RT position.

[SmootSmack]

When did the RT position become so important in lieu of everything else?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

When did the RT position become so important in lieu of everything else?

I don't know when did?

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

When did the RT position become so important in lieu of everything else?

When the opportunity arose to pick apart the decisions of the front office again based on a little injury news.

Fact of the matter is I'd rather this happen now than after week 1. At least KL is expected back for the regular season.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

When the opportunity arose to pick apart the decisions of the front office again based on a little injury news.

Fact of the matter is I'd rather this happen now than after week 1. At least KL is expected back for the regular season.

And it does present an opportunity for the young guys to get a lot of reps with the first and second groups. Better to fail now then when it counts.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

When did the RT position become so important in lieu of everything else?

Since chico's Oline Offseason Edition thread where many agreed Oline and RT in particular were issues. I think QB, WR, S, RT, CB were all positions where improvement was needed. The Cap penalty was certainly an issue, but there were certainly veteran players who were available and affordable. Ill still point to both the 3rd and 4th round where there was solid RT talent. Options were available and we got fooled again.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Since chico's Oline Offseason Edition thread where many agreed Oline and RT in particular were issues. I think QB, WR, S, RT, CB were all positions where improvement was needed. The Cap penalty was certainly an issue, but there were certainly veteran players who were available and affordable. Ill still point to both the 3rd and 4th round where there was solid RT talent. Options were available and we got fooled again.

And we made an effort to get those guys. If we hadn't drafted LeRibeus in the 3rd people would be complaining we have no depth behind Lichtensteiger

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

And we made an effort to get those guys. If we hadn't drafted LeRibeus in the 3rd people would be complaining we have no depth behind Lichtensteiger

Is McRib gonna play guard? Heard that hasnt been going so well, looking more like a Center. SS, when does anyone complain around here?

Well at least Laron isnt fooling us again this year, only JB. Roger Daultrey should be our lead vocalist for the Skins.

Any word on Willie's injury?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Is McRib gonna play guard? Heard that hasnt been going so well, looking more like a Center. SS, when does anyone complain around here?

Well at least Laron isnt fooling us again this year, only JB. Roger Daultrey should be our lead vocalist for the Skins.

Any word on Willie's injury?

He's a rookie, for one thing. So struggles are expected. And he's learning both G and C

How exactly are you defining "complain"?

Willie is fine health wise