Dockery Cut:

[MTK]

Originally Posted by RedskinPete

Is Dock one of those pickups that looks good now but turns out bad? Why did the Bill give up on him? Is thier someone else better in the draft or FA? Were taking a big chance on Hall so I like the next few pick up to be more of a sure things!

I don't think it was performance related at all. He's still a very solid player the Bills are just realizing they need to seriously tighten their belts.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I don't think it was performance related at all. He's still a very solid player the Bills are just realizing they need to seriously tighten their belts.

Yes, they overpaid for him and now realize it. I'm sure they were satisfied with his performance, but the deal was just TOO BIG for a lineman in the first place. They got their man, then realized it was a bad financial position...sort of like some guy that walks into an auto auction and immediately says "$50,000!" for a car currently bidding at $20,000...of course everyone else is going to just let him have it for that price.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I don't think it was performance related at all. He's still a very solid player the Bills are just realizing they need to seriously tighten their belts.

I heard, and actually Gmanc would probably know this better since he's up around them parts, that the biggest reason they let Dockery go is that they're working on renegotiating Jason Peters' deal and he's insisting that he has to be the highest paid linemen on the team...so by cutting Dockery and his contract it makes that less impressive.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I heard, and actually Gmanc would probably know this better since he's up around them parts, that the biggest reason they let Dockery go is that they're working on renegotiating Jason Peters' deal and he's insisting that he has to be the highest paid linemen on the team...so by cutting Dockery and his contract it makes that less impressive.

There is a lot of truth to that, I dont know if thats exactly why they let Dock go, but theres been a lot of back and fourth between Peters & Buffalo. Peters held out well into training camp last year, and the Bills didnt budge at all, and finally Peters had to come back to the same contract, and he really didnt play as well as he had the previous years, in fact well under that (according to some Bills fans I know, I dont watch Buffalo cause they often play opposite WSH or I'll watch Dallas/Philly/NYG) ... I havent heard too much about the negotiations thusfar this year; but I know that was big last year...

There is very little news up here in Buffalo, they tend to be the exact opposite of Washington, not spending ANY money. In fact, people were stunned when they signed Dockery to that type of deal because they never do that sort of thing...I'm very suprised they let Dockery go; they have the cap space to keep whoever they want as far as I know... but I'm really hoping the Skins' pick up Dockery (or another starting offensive linemen) and draft some more... I mean I'm gald if they did anything on the defense, it was the line...but I'd still much rather see the money spent on the offensive side of the ball given how ineffective we were for 12 of our 16 games last season.

[itvnetop]

I have a feeling we're gonna be seeing our guy return home... he was a truck opening holes for our running game in DC. Hopefully, Dock's cleaned up the false starts and our line can get back to business.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

I thought about starting another thread for this post, but now that we have Haynesworth, our top 4 DTs are now: Haynesworth, Griffin, Montgommery and Golston. Alexander is now our #5DT. We dont need that many DTs so Alexander is the odd man out.

Why the heck would we pursue Dockery when we could just move Alexander back to guard? I think it would be much wiser to pursue a FA Strong Side LB or DE (whichever position Jason Taylor will not be playing).

That way, we could go into the draft with the only starter needed at RT.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I thought about starting another thread for this post, but now that we have Haynesworth, our top 4 DTs are now: Haynesworth, Griffin, Montgommery and Golston. Alexander is now our #5DT. We dont need that many DTs so Alexander is the odd man out.

Why the heck would we pursue Dockery when we could just move Alexander back to guard? I think it would be much wiser to pursue a FA RT. That way, we could go into the draft with no GLARING needs.

It's not that easy. Remember, Alexander was an undrafted free agent who played his way onto the team for being able to do a little bit of everything. Ever hear the phrase Jack of all trades, master of none? That's LoAx. If anything, the fact they are going after Dock it's an indictment on Chad Reinhart that he's not ready to step up into the starting lineup despite being a 3rd round pick last year.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

It's not that easy. Remember, Alexander was an undrafted free agent who played his way onto the team for being able to do a little bit of everything. Ever hear the phrase Jack of all trades, master of none? That's LoAx. If anything, the fact they are going after Dock it's an indictment on Chad Reinhart that he's not ready to step up into the starting lineup despite being a 3rd round pick last year.

Good post.

On another note, looks like we made an offer to Campbell....Khary Campbell (he's a solid special teamer)

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

It's not that easy. Remember, Alexander was an undrafted free agent who played his way onto the team for being able to do a little bit of everything. Ever hear the phrase Jack of all trades, master of none? That's LoAx. If anything, the fact they are going after Dock it's an indictment on Chad Reinhart that he's not ready to step up into the starting lineup despite being a 3rd round pick last year.

Yeah, Alexander if like a good utility infielder in baseball. He'll be great to have as a backup on either the O- or D-lines in case if injuries during games. I'm not sure I'd trust him as a starter, at least yet. He does have potential, but that's beyond this season. He's not quite ready yet.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

It's not that easy. Remember, Alexander was an undrafted free agent who played his way onto the team for being able to do a little bit of everything. Ever hear the phrase Jack of all trades, master of none? That's LoAx. If anything, the fact they are going after Dock it's an indictment on Chad Reinhart that he's not ready to step up into the starting lineup despite being a 3rd round pick last year.

Good point. I always thought he was a better fit on offense though. He just didnt seem to have the mean streak you really want in a DT. perhaps he can push Rinehart for a backup position. Assuming we started Thomas and Dockery, and Jansen moves to a backup T/G role, then we dont have room for Rinehart and Alexander on the roster as backup guards (and i think its a forgone conclusion we dont have room for Alexander soley as a backup DT). Rinehart is eligible for the PS, so im predicting he'll land there when the regular season starts, with Alexander as our 4th guard/5th DT.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

It's not that easy. Remember, Alexander was an undrafted free agent who played his way onto the team for being able to do a little bit of everything. Ever hear the phrase Jack of all trades, master of none? That's LoAx. If anything, the fact they are going after Dock it's an indictment on Chad Reinhart that he's not ready to step up into the starting lineup despite being a 3rd round pick last year.

Going after Dockery imo is an indictment on the FO/Buges and how they have managed or mismanaged the offensive line.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I thought about starting another thread for this post, but now that we have Haynesworth, our top 4 DTs are now: Haynesworth, Griffin, Montgommery and Golston. Alexander is now our #5DT. We dont need that many DTs so Alexander is the odd man out.

Why the heck would we pursue Dockery when we could just move Alexander back to guard? I think it would be much wiser to pursue a FA RT. That way, we could go into the draft with no GLARING needs.

Good point about Alexander, BHA. I still think that we could get Dockery and he could even start with us. Randy Thomas is a bit of question mark for me, because of his back surgery. I think we should look for a RT at the draft.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat
"I thought about starting another thread for this post, but now that we have Haynesworth, our top 4 DTs are now: Haynesworth, Griffin, Montgommery and Golston. Alexander is now our #5DT. We dont need that many DTs so Alexander is the odd man out.

Why the heck would we pursue Dockery when we could just move Alexander back to guard? I think it would be much wiser to pursue a FA RT. That way, we could go into the draft with no GLARING needs. "


... Am I the only one immature enough to not realize he meant Free Agent Right Tackle and thought he wanted us to persue a Fart?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

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... Am I the only one immature enough to not realize he meant Free Agent Right Tackle and thought he wanted us to persue a Fart?

Lol, i didnt even notice that!

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat
"I thought about starting another thread for this post, but now that we have Haynesworth, our top 4 DTs are now: Haynesworth, Griffin, Montgommery and Golston. Alexander is now our #5DT. We dont need that many DTs so Alexander is the odd man out.

Why the heck would we pursue Dockery when we could just move Alexander back to guard? I think it would be much wiser to pursue a FA RT. That way, we could go into the draft with no GLARING needs. "


... Am I the only one immature enough to not realize he meant Free Agent Right Tackle and thought he wanted us to persue a Fart?

ha ha. Well i think we still have glaring needs at RT, LG and SLB. I highly doubt we can address more than 1 of those in FA (2 at the most if we get Dock and Willis cheap). That probably means we still take Maluauga at 13 which I'm more and more excited about.