Jags Postgame

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

The biggest take away for me, Wentz is head and shoulders above anything we have had since Cousins at QB.

Was it a A+ performance? Certainly not, but I thought Wentz was better than Russel Wilson, Dak, Burrow, Baker, and Carr this past weekend…and obviously T. Lawrence.

Wentz delivered in the 4th quarter and that matters most. The TD throws in he 4th were big time…while I love the dime to Terry, the read and throw to J Dot was impressive. 3rd down, one on one coverage and placed it perfect.

Almost as money drawing the Jags offsides to seal the game. I think everyone knew the hard count was coming and he still got it done.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

The biggest take away for me, Wentz is head and shoulders above anything we have had since Cousins at QB.

Was it a A+ performance? Certainly not, but I thought Wentz was better than Russel Wilson, Dak, Burrow, Baker, and Carr this past weekend…and obviously T. Lawrence.

Wentz delivered in the 4th quarter and that matters most. The TD throws in he 4th were big time…while I love the dime to Terry, the read and throw to J Dot was impressive. 3rd down, one on one coverage and placed it perfect.

We were also playing the absolute worst team in the NFL that has had the number one pick in the draft for two straight years. Barely beat them at home.

Idk about Wentz, if this was pretty much any other team that was a loss and the narrative is totally different today. But I do give him major credit on those last two drives. He almost lost the game all by himself and then won it with some big boy throws in the 4th q and that is all that matters.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

We were also playing the absolute worst team in the NFL that has had the number one pick in the draft for two straight years. Barely beat them at home.

Idk about Wentz, if this was pretty much any other team that was a loss and the narrative is totally different today. But I do give him major credit on those last two drives. He almost lost the game all by himself and then won with some big boy throws in the 4th q and that is all that matters.

But Jags had a chance to win and this is the NFL. Jags looked prepared and ready to play…didn’t they?

The Wentz stats were good, but he willed that victory along with big plays by our receivers.

As fans of some bad QB play in D.C., why not give Wentz a clean slate here?

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I don't think we can say Jax is the worst team in the league anymore. IMO I doubt they are the worst team in their division. I am actually glad we played them earlier in the season, once Pederson gets rolling with his personnel I think they are going to be a tough out, maybe like Detroit last year.

This is 100% accurate in my opinion. You can say the Jaguars were one of the worst teams in the league last year, but that was not an accurate assessment before week 1 of the 2022 season, and it's not an accurate assessment after week 1 of the 2022 season.

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

We were also playing the absolute worst team in the NFL that has had the number one pick in the draft for two straight years. Barely beat them at home.

Idk about Wentz, if this was pretty much any other team that was a loss and the narrative is totally different today. But I do give him major credit on those last two drives. He almost lost the game all by himself and then won it with some big boy throws in the 4th q and that is all that matters.

Also, CW did not almost lose the game all by himself. Yes he had two interceptions, but he didn't fumble the ball or drop any passes, and he didn't play defense.


It was a team win. Playmakers made plays, O-line did their job, QB was clutch, special teams was pretty good, and the defense made stops when they needed to down the stretch - forcing a 3 and out, and getting the game-sealing INT.

[Chico23231]

My biggest negative…I can’t believe how bad Ron and Mayhew have been in addressing the CB and LB position on the team.

Will Jackson is terrible, why do we take man skills CB and then put him in a scheme that doesn’t fit his skill set? It’s egregious. Is St Jus a nickel corner? Don’t think he is, he looks like a boundary corner.

LB had been discussed, but my god Davis is a bust. Holcomb isn’t a middle or interior LB. It’s a mess here.

This is going to bite us.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

My biggest negative…I can’t believe how bad Ron and Mayhew have been in addressing the CB and LB position on the team.

Will Jackson is terrible, why do we take man skills CB and then put him in a scheme that doesn’t fit his skill set? It’s egregious. Is St Jus a nickel corner? Don’t think he is, he looks like a boundary corner.

LB had been discussed, but my god Davis is a bust. Holcomb isn’t a middle or interior LB. It’s a mess here.

This is going to bite us.

Yop. Any armchair GM could anticipate it this offseason, and it showed even in this thrilling win.

Agree also with your post about Wentz. Not perfect, some ugly mistakes, but the guy delivered when it mattered. We can't be "the only stats that matters is wins and losses, a QB needs to be clutch when his team needs him to" (ie with Kirk) and then nit pick "yeah Wentz delivered in the 4th and gave us a come from behind win but it wasn't pretty during the entirety of the 60 minutes".
It's fair to say "be ready for some heart crushing moments" though.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Yop. Any armchair GM could anticipate it this offseason, and it showed even in this thrilling win.

Agree also with your post about Wentz. Not perfect, some ugly mistakes, but the guy delivered when it mattered. We can't be "the only stats that matters is wins and losses, a QB needs to be clutch when his team needs him to" (ie with Kirk) and then nit pick "yeah Wentz delivered in the 4th and gave us a come from behind win but it wasn't pretty during the entirety of the 60 minutes".
It's fair to say "be ready for some heart crushing moments" though.

I think what bothers me about the Wentz discussion coming into this season is folks seem so sure that someone like Ryan Tannahill is better than Wentz.

Like do you see Kyler Murray making both those reads and throws in the 4th? I don’t and he just signed a massive deal.

Look, there are only a handful of QB who can carry a team on its back. We have a lot of information these days…maybe too much…but the distance from Cousins to Wentz isn’t far at all. Scheme and personal does matter. So these heartbreaks are being committed by Wentz, but also Dak.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

My biggest negative…I can’t believe how bad Ron and Mayhew have been in addressing the CB and LB position on the team.

Will Jackson is terrible, why do we take man skills CB and then put him in a scheme that doesn’t fit his skill set? It’s egregious. Is St Jus a nickel corner? Don’t think he is, he looks like a boundary corner.

LB had been discussed, but my god Davis is a bust. Holcomb isn’t a middle or interior LB. It’s a mess here.

This is going to bite us.

Davis reminds me of Apke. They drafted him cause of his physical skills but is he a good football player? Obviously being a NFL LB requires that you must cover. He simply can't do it. He may have straight line speed but not coverage or ball skills.

[BaltimoreSkins]

I don't think we can say Jax is the worst team in the league anymore. IMO I doubt they are the worst team in their division. I am actually glad we played them earlier in the season, once Pederson gets rolling with his personnel I think they are going to be a tough out, maybe like Detroit last year.

[MTK]

I don’t want to hear about it was only the Jags.

All off-season we heard how much better they would be, and plenty of the so called experts said they would win this game.

Time will tell if it was a quality win or not, but for now it sure beats losing.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by MTK

I don’t want to hear about it was only the Jags.

All off-season we heard how much better they would be, and plenty of the so called experts said they would win this game.

Time will tell if it was a quality win or not, but for now it sure beats losing.

funny how it gets pretty quite around here after a win

[FrenchSkin]

Repost with new gifs, hopefully working this time:

Gems from the All 22. You guys don't me to see Curtis Samuel having a monster game, Holcomb missing a tackle on the TD, or Darrick Forrest making plays all over the place.

But here are some plays were interesting and material for discussion/occasions to improve our collective football knowledge.


Found Schweitzer's injury play, hope it's not too serious


Leading to Trai Turner taking the field and making this nice play against a stunt on his first snap


Turner really had a solid game, just a play on a screen that I liked, I love that he's enthusiastic to hit the DB, more than he needed to. He's still banged up and out there diving to hit DBs... He'll be fun to watch once 100% healthy.


For whatever reason (injury concern I guess) Turner was out for a series, allowing Saahdiq Charles to show once again he's not even a decent NFL back up



Now let's rant a bit about or secondary:

McCain flat out sucks, this catch is on him (and you probably remember the awful angle he took on a run early in the game, the announcer mentioned it), Fuller gets beaten but he's supposed to have safety help inside


WJ3 had a bad game, and he dodge a bullet here, had Lance seen him tangling his feet and falling, that may have gone all the way


On top of letting guys run wide open in the passing game, the secondary doesn't play their responsibilities in the run game well. Don't know if it's Fuller, St Juste or McCain, but somebody isn't in his gap. Unacceptable, secondary run gap responsibility usually is super simple. And Nickel being our new base defense, they gotta play it right.



And to finish on a nicer note, I just enjoy watching this play. I think it's very well designed. Don't know if it's a common concept or not (I'm sure somebody here will know the concept's name), but I think it's very hard to defend unless you're in quarter. Here the Jags bring 5, in Cover 3, it's hard to blame the LB initially on Logan Thomas for letting him pass into the deep and biting on Samuel's crossing route, McKissick as a check down has the flat to curl LB's attention, and Dotson takes the deep CB with him. Nice job Scott Turner, ain't it ?

[Meks]

From watching more, I still like Wentz ability ro avoid the hit... that's key going forward as this o line to me is just OK... we DEFINITELY need time to let our WRs get open open on the deep routes or it's the Chuck and pray method... which with our crew.. is decent... we need to balance the run a little bit more and play better defense. Defense will make or break this team this year.

[That Guy]

Dax Milne did good as a returner. Curtis Samuel had his first not-garbage week here (still overall negative on the contract, but as a WR3, he is certainly better than an average CB3 and had some moves). Forrest was a good cheap pickup (D overall was a bit meh). Wentz's ball placement was off compared to the pre-season, but he was still good overall, and the offense stayed calm at the end and got it done.

I do think the Jags looked like a pretty decent team.

I'm happy we have a team that looks like it can actually score some points.

Edit: I also really liked that 4WR bunch play design. It's got to be hard to try and defend while also trying to avoid your own people.

[WCommandersfan99]

Curtis Samuel's talent was pretty obvious I thought, especially in the 1st half. He has great lateral movement and is super quick. Him, McLaurin, Dotson, and Gibson will be tough to stop. If Robinson can come back and be the bruiser back we need, this offense could really do something.