Is it finally time to rebuild??

[BigHairedAristocrat]

I agree. Besides, were possibly going to have a top 5 pick. We used a top 5 pick on a left tackle last year... And no other ol position is worth taking in the top 5.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I agree. Besides, were possibly going to have a top 5 pick. We used a top 5 pick on a left tackle last year... And no other ol position is worth taking in the top 5.

Nah, we've already won too many games to have a top 5 pick. We're probably slotted somewhere in the 7-15th pick range. Look at it this way.

Carolina - worst record 2-12
Cincy, Denver - 3-11
Detroit, Buffalo, Arizona - 4-10
Us, San Fran, Houston, Dallas, Cleveland, and Minny(5-8, will be either 5-9 at the end of tonight or 6-10, prob. gonna be 5-9) at 5-9

Now that's already 6 teams ahead of us that have a worse record. 3 of those teams, Detroit, Buffalo, and Arizona have a shot at finishing with the same or worse record than us, but I don't think we'll catch Cincy or Denver, and we have to deal with complicated tiebreaker scenarios for the teams with the same record as us, so in the end we're looking at anywhere from the 7th to 15th pick (Most likely somewhere between 7th and 12th, I just say 15th in case we beat Jacksonville or NY. I doubt we win both though, although it's def. doable. If we do win both, we finish 7-9 and then we're lookin at anywhere between 12th-20th.

I'll just go ahead and make a prediction that we go qb in the first round. It's time to get our own franchise qb and there are plenty of good candidates in this year's draft.

[DCtoAZ]

McNabb blew up in our face .. i can't even believe it .. WTF .. i mean WTF people, we brought in Donovan Freaking McNabb at age 34, not 43 .. he should have put up 25 td's and 12 ints ... learned the system, not been a fat ass and throwing ground balls all year ... i didn't even pick up on this until i saw a full Rex game, clearly Rex is not the future but it made me clearly see how many under/over throws #5 has had this year ... how about we draft a WR # 1 ... go get our dez bryant ... let Rexy play a year or 2 ... try and find a QB in the 2nd round ..fill up the rest of the draft with OL .. keep Big Will #63 around .. the guy is SOLID .. our running game is showing how good it can be ... Ryan Torrain needs to be healthy .... Portis will be back .. go buy Sproles who gives a shit .... SIGN VINCENT JACKSON ... you put that all together and it's a playoff sandwhich .. no fat albert distraction this off season ... just putting this paragraph together has made me sick ... **** this season ~

[SFREDSKIN]

As part of the rebuild, I would like to see Haslett and Danny Smith replaced as coaches. I would hire Todd Bowles as DC and find another ST coach.

[drew54]

Originally Posted by DCtoAZ

McNabb blew up in our face .. i can't even believe it .. WTF .. i mean WTF people, we brought in Donovan Freaking McNabb at age 34, not 43 .. he should have put up 25 td's and 12 ints ... learned the system, not been a fat ass and throwing ground balls all year ... i didn't even pick up on this until i saw a full Rex game, clearly Rex is not the future but it made me clearly see how many under/over throws #5 has had this year ... how about we draft a WR # 1 ... go get our dez bryant ... let Rexy play a year or 2 ... try and find a QB in the 2nd round ..fill up the rest of the draft with OL .. keep Big Will #63 around .. the guy is SOLID .. our running game is showing how good it can be ... Ryan Torrain needs to be healthy .... Portis will be back .. go buy Sproles who gives a shit .... SIGN VINCENT JACKSON ... you put that all together and it's a playoff sandwhich .. no fat albert distraction this off season ... just putting this paragraph together has made me sick ... **** this season ~

Nothing to help the defense?

[Pocket$ $traight]

If we can get a decent pick for Cooley we have to do it. He is THE most overrated player on the team. He is the second best tight end on the team and probably the 4th or 5th best tight end in the division. He has dropped key balls all friggin' year.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

If we can get a decent pick for Cooley we have to do it. He is THE most overrated player on the team. He is the second best tight end on the team and probably the 4th or 5th best tight end in the division. He has dropped key balls all friggin' year.

Well I don't know what calling him the most overrated player means. It's not like there are very many highly rated players on this offense to begin with.

Cooley has had a down year, but the guy has been very solid for years for the Skins despite a revolving door at QB and offensive coordinator, not to mention a slew of shitty O-lines.

Fred Davis is a better athlete for sure, but Cooley runs better routes, is better after the catch, and, despite the drops, does have better hands. However, if the right offer is on the table, I can only think of two or three Skins that are untradeable, and Cooley isn't one of them.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Well I don't know what calling him the most overrated player means. It's not like there are very many highly rated players on this offense to begin with.

Cooley has had a down year, but the guy has been very solid for years for the Skins despite a revolving door at QB and offensive coordinator, not to mention a slew of shitty O-lines.

Fred Davis is a better athlete for sure, but Cooley runs better routes, is better after the catch, and, despite the drops, does have better hands. However, if the right offer is on the table, I can only think of two or three Skins that are untradeable, and Cooley isn't one of them.

Mainly, I mean from a typical fans perspective. I think that 2005 Dallas game is etched in their brains. Plus, Cooley is very good at marketing so he is very popular.

I firmly believe that Davis is better and has been better. That was before Cooley decided to flat drop 50 percent of the clutch balls that came his way this year. He represents the old culture to me (overpaid, underperform) and I would be thrilled if they could get a 3rd. i would take a 4th. His pay is ridiculous compared to his production.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Mainly, I mean from a typical fans perspective. I think that 2005 Dallas game is etched in their brains. Plus, Cooley is very good at marketing so he is very popular.

I firmly believe that Davis is better and has been better. That was before Cooley decided to flat drop 50 percent of the clutch balls that came his way this year. He represents the old culture to me (overpaid, underperform) and I would be thrilled if they could get a 3rd. i would take a 4th. His pay is ridiculous compared to his production.

If a 32 year old Tony Gonzalez can fetch a second round pick for the Chiefs then I would expect the Skins to be able to get the same for a 28 year old Cooley. Assuming we even decide to trade him. I mean this isn't like McNabb or Haynesworth were we have no leverage.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

If a 32 year old Tony Gonzalez can fetch a second round pick for the Chiefs then I would expect the Skins to be able to get the same for a 28 year old Cooley. Assuming we even decide to trade him. I mean this isn't like McNabb or Haynesworth were we have no leverage.

Here's the thing. Cooley never has been and never will never be as good as Tony Gonzalez. The thing that separates Gonzalez is that he makes 8 out of 10 of those catches that Cooley dropped.

They just aren't comparable. Gonzalez is a Hall of Famer while Cooley is an above average tight end.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

If a 32 year old Tony Gonzalez can fetch a second round pick for the Chiefs then I would expect the Skins to be able to get the same for a 28 year old Cooley. Assuming we even decide to trade him. I mean this isn't like McNabb or Haynesworth were we have no leverage.

You're talking about maybe the best TE in the history of the NFL. Cooley is simply not in the same neighborhood as TG. If we put him out on the trade market we'd probably get a mid rounder. No way do we get a 2nd rounder IMO.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Well I don't know what calling him the most overrated player means. It's not like there are very many highly rated players on this offense to begin with.

Cooley has had a down year, but the guy has been very solid for years for the Skins despite a revolving door at QB and offensive coordinator, not to mention a slew of shitty O-lines.

Fred Davis is a better athlete for sure, but Cooley runs better routes, is better after the catch, and, despite the drops, does have better hands. However, if the right offer is on the table, I can only think of two or three Skins that are untradeable, and Cooley isn't one of them.

I'd probably give the nod to Davis for better after the catch.. too soon to tell on hands

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

If we can get a decent pick for Cooley we have to do it. He is THE most overrated player on the team. He is the second best tight end on the team and probably the 4th or 5th best tight end in the division. He has dropped key balls all friggin' year.

We're not going to get one. Especially now. As unlikely as Redskin fans are to bring themselves to admit it, Cooley's star has faded. I posed the question of trading for him a year or so ago when it looked like Fred Davis could replace him. The time to do it would have been when his production was peaking -- of course, that would have been federal offense amongst fan blowhards who thought he was the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

We're not going to get one. Especially now. As unlikely as Redskin fans are to bring themselves to admit it, Cooley's star has faded. I posed the question of trading for him a year or so ago when it looked like Fred Davis could replace him. The time to do it would have been when his production was peaking -- of course, that would have been federal offense amongst fan blowhards who thought he was the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

I think in a true rebuilding mode, you trade a player like cooley for a pick now and ESPECIALLY when you have a younger guy ready to step up into a starting role. Davis has had 2 years experience and learned from a great guy. Its time to move on. The 3rd string guy has shown flashes this year as well.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I think in a true rebuilding mode, you trade a player like cooley for a pick now and ESPECIALLY when you have a younger guy ready to step up into a starting role. Davis has had 2 years experience and learned from a great guy. Its time to move on. The 3rd string guy has shown flashes this year as well.

I agree. Tight end is one of the few positions (it may be the only position) where we have legitimate depth. We need youth period. Looking at our starting defense last week and the fact that they are probably going to 18 games makes the strategy of trying to win a championship with an old team obsolete.

If we were offered a 4th for Cooley, I would take it tomorrow.