Now that Favre is officially done, where does he rank all time?

[MTK]

Marino #12? Wow.

I think he was the best pure passer to have played the game. If he had a RB and some defenses he could have won a couple of Super Bowls. He never had very much help outside of Duper and Clayton in the earlier years.

[Defensewins]

Even if they had help they would have thrown the ball a high % of the time. It was their and his downfall. They were not balanced.

[hooskins]

anyone watching his press conference?

I don't really understand his reasoning, he is just kinda rambling and saying that he was too hard on himself and not having fun. I don't really get it.

[MTK]

I'd put that on Shula more than anything. I've always wondered why they never got him the help they needed. By the time they did it was too late.

[Defensewins]

I agree, but those Dolphin teams were not devoid of talent. I would not consider them less talented as some of the early Denver (Elway) teams. They were fairly equal in talent but Elway kept geting them in the SB and of course getting their arse's handed to them in the SB. Dan Fouts had high passing numbers as well and again their offense threw first, ran hardly ever. IMO high stats do not tell the whole story, you need to combine great stats with occasionaly winning something.

[SmootSmack]

I watched the Chiefs 23-7 win over the Vikings in SB IV last month and I gotta say I think because of all the hoopla of Namath and the Jets the year before people tend to forget what KC Chiefs of the AFL did.

And Len Dawson looked really sharp in that game. Very accurate passer. I wouldn't say he's top 10, but I would love to know what others here who actually remember seeing him play thought of him.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I watched the Chiefs 23-7 win over the Vikings in SB IV last month and I gotta say I think because of all the hoopla of Namath and the Jets the year before people tend to forget what KC Chiefs of the AFL did.

And Len Dawson looked really sharp in that game. Very accurate passer. I wouldn't say he's top 10, but I would love to know what others here who actually remember seeing him play thought of him.

I never saw him play , but have always been a fan of his . He is from the same small town in Ohio that my family is from , Alliance . My uncle dated Lenny's little sister in high school .He also played ,,,18 years ?

[hooskins]

Seems like he is tired of football, not physically but mentally. he says he is just tired.

[jsarno]

Everyone has talked about Favre's int's, and sure, I understand they are a factor, but Favre took chances, and sometimes they bit him, and most of the time, he was suuccessful. In that respect, I'd rather have a guy that throws for 50 tds and 20 ints than a guy that throws for 20 tds and 10 ints. To me, the TD to INT ratio is more important. So here is how all the guys we have mentioned (and some that we didn't) stack up:

Please note, I double checked the stats on these to make sure, I apparently am a little dislexic (sp?) and was quoting Favre at +145 when he is +154. My bad...these are the accurate readings:

1- Marino - +168
2- Favre - +154
3- Manning - +153
4- Montana - +134
5- Young - +125
6- Brady - +111
7- Tarkenton - +76
8- Elway - +74
9- Jurgensen - +66
10- Esiason - +63
11- Kelly - +62
11- Krieg - +62
13- Moon - +58
14- Staubach - +44
15- Simms - +42
16- Graham - +39
17- Unitas - +37
17- Kosar - +37
19- Aikman - +24
20- Theismann - +22
21- Fouts - +12
22- Bradshaw - +2
23- Tittle - -6
24- Baugh - -16
25- Blanda - -41
26- Namath - -47

Kinda funny that the ones that take the most chances are the ones that succeed. Look at Aikman, widely recognized for his accuracy, and he's sitting at only a plus 24.

[jsarno]

Bradshaw is the perfect example of why chamionships should not be calculated in the "best ever" catagory. Otherwise he's be at the top, and quite frankly, he's no where near it.

[SouperMeister]

I say 3 MVPs and a Super Bowl put him on the outer edge of the Top 5 QBs all-time. For my money, there was no other non-Redskin that I enjoyed watching or had more respect for than Brett Favre. I'm kind of sad to see him go.

[jsarno]

I didn't know that Favre is the ONLY 3 time MVP in history (just saw it on ESPN), and he did it in consecutive seasons.

Also, how in the world did a guy with these stats make the Hall (other than 1 game)????
Joe Namath Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com

[Stuck in TX]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I didn't know that Favre is the ONLY 3 time MVP in history (just saw it on ESPN), and he did it in consecutive seasons.

Also, how in the world did a guy with these stats make the Hall (other than 1 game)????
Joe Namath Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com

'66 and '67 were good.... He got in the same way Desmond Howard won the SB MVP back in '97. His moment was short lived, but made a difference, and it was remembered so well, that it stayed fresh in the voter's minds. Thanks for the stats. Namath of course was before my time and I have always heard he was good, but not great. After that I have a hard time calling him good. His stats reveal reliability, but thats about it. It also raises the question of if a SB win really makes a difference in HOF votes. If Chris Carter wins the SB with the Dolphins his final year, does he get in before Monk? (my vote says NO and NEVER for Carter, but I cant vote)

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Stuck in TX

'66 and '67 were good.... He got in the same way Desmond Howard won the SB MVP back in '97. His moment was short lived, but made a difference, and it was remembered so well, that it stayed fresh in the voter's minds. Thanks for the stats. Namath of course was before my time and I have always heard he was good, but not great. After that I have a hard time calling him good. His stats reveal reliability, but thats about it. It also raises the question of if a SB win really makes a difference in HOF votes. If Chris Carter wins the SB with the Dolphins his final year, does he get in before Monk? (my vote says NO and NEVER for Carter, but I cant vote)

I think there is a difference between Howard winning the SB MVP for a one game performance, and Joe Namath making the pro football Hall of Fame.Namath is defensible because at the time he was put in, his numbers were borderline HOF quality for the era. I think SB III helped him get in right away. If Namath was still on the outside looking in today, he would NEVER get into the HOF. He's just already there, so it's a non issue.

[Big C]

favre is the best ive ever seen. he was a great leader, extremely durable, and more than willing to carry the team on his back, plus he was a hell of a passer.