Haskins released

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by mooby

It's a small consolation when he knows he's probably losing his job in a week as well.

I'm sure his brother will hire him.

[MissouriSkin]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I'm sure his brother will hire him.

Trying to figure out how his brother still had a job......

[Warthog]

Great decision to move on from Haskins. His numbers were terrible (more INT than TD) and he had a LOT of chances. The NFL is at a much higher level than college. Haskins never could get up to speed. Small baby steps forward followed by three large leaps backward.
He had a slow release, his mechanics need to be fixed, he couldn’t read defenses, he often starred down his receivers leading to INT or the WR taking a monster hit. His progression was slow, leading to sacks or holding calls. Finally his accuracy was poor. It amazes me that he was rated so high as a QB draft pick! Of course the main reason that Snyder took him over the negative reports of the entire coaching and scouting staff was because his kids went to school with Dwayne!!

Unfortunately for him, Haskins will be remembered as the biggest draft BUST of all time. Hopefully, this disaster will be Daniel Snyder’s final legacy before he is forced to sell the team. This fiasco is 100% on Snyder. If you look at most of the top draft picks that Snyder has made over the last 20 years, as well as TRADING AWAY draft picks - it is shocking at the buffoonery this owner has wrought on this franchise.



Just a few QB draft busts by Snyder:

Haskins - QB bust - worst bust of all time ??
RG3 - QB bust (although still with the Ravens as backup QB)
Campbell - QB bust

Snyder would be more successful having a monkey throw darts at a list draft picks than him making the major drafting decisions.


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[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Warthog

Great decision to move in from Haskins. His numbers were terrible (more INT than TD) and he had a LOT of chances. The NFL is at a much higher level than college. Haskins never could get up to speed. Small steps forward followed by three steps backward.

Unfortunately for him, Haskins will be remembered as the biggest draft BUST of all time. Hopefully, this disaster will be Daniel Snyder’s final legacy before he is forced to sell the team. This fiasco is 100% on Snyder. If you look at most of the top draft picks that Snyder has made over the last 20 years, as well as TRADING AWAY draft picks - it is shocking at the buffoonery this owner has wrought on this franchise.



Just a few QB draft busts by Snyder:

Haskins - QB bust - worst bust of all time ??
RG3 - QB bust (although still with the Ravens as backup QB)
Campbell - QB bust

Snyder would be more successful having a monkey throw darts at a list draft picks than him making the major drafting decisions.


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Campbell was on Joe Gibbs. RG3, Haskins, McNabb, Patrick Ramsey and Jeff George were all on Dan. Plus he and Bruce totally mismanaged Cousins.

[Warthog]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Campbell was on Joe Gibbs. RG3, Haskins, McNabb, Patrick Ramsey and Jeff George were all on Dan. Plus he and Bruce totally mismanaged Cousins.

So Snyder let Gibbs pick Campbell over his and Cerrato’s opinion? I stand corrected. Gibbs realized too late that Snyder’s meddling in the personnel decisions made it impossible to win.

RG3 lasted longer than he should have because of Snyder. Then once they committed to Cousins they kept low balling him. Jeff George was a complete disaster - he was a real gun slinger and his team mates hated him. McNabb was another in a long series of “past-their-prime” FA players that Snyder gravitated toward in his FA decisions. Deon Sanders and others were in that group - guys that were Pro Bowlers 6-8 years BEFORE Snyder signed them. Snyder and Cerrato traded their draft picks away like they were candy. Most teams won’t trade a draft pick away unless it’s late, late in the draft. That’s why Rivera wouldn’t even talk to Snyder until he had a contract promise to have FULL Control of the personnel decisions.

We should do a comprehensive list of all of Snyder’s draft and FA disasters. But only when he’s on the way OUT.


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[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Warthog

So Snyder let Gibbs pick Campbell over his and Cerrato’s opinion? I stand corrected. Gibbs realized too late that Snyder’s meddling in the personnel decisions made it impossible to win.

RG3 lasted longer than he should have because of Snyder. Then once they committed to Cousins they kept low balling him. Jeff George was a complete disaster - he was a real gun slinger and his team mates hated him. McNabb was another in a long series of “past-their-prime” FA players that Snyder gravitated toward in his FA decisions. Deon Sanders and others were in that group - guys that were Pro Bowlers 6-8 years BEFORE Snyder signed them. Snyder and Cerrato traded their draft picks away like they were candy. Most teams won’t trade a draft pick away unless it’s late, late in the draft. That’s why Rivera wouldn’t even talk to Snyder until he had a contract promise to have FULL Control of the personnel decisions.

We should do a comprehensive list of all of Snyder’s draft and FA disasters. But only when he’s on the way OUT.


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Gibbs picked the QB's once he got here. He traded for Brunell in 04 and drafted Campbell in 05. He never liked Ramsey and he was gone after 04 or 05. Ramsey was Dan and Vinny's guy. Todd Collins came in once Al Saunders was hired as oc in 2006. Had Gibbs stayed on I believe he would have gone w/ Collins over Campbell.

[skinsfaninok]

Remember when we thought Haskins and Guice were the future... That was just last yr lmao

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Remember when we thought Haskins and Guice were the future... That was just last yr lmao

At least Guice had talent but was a woman beater. Haskins is just clueless.

[skinsfan69]

Guice really could have been an elite player. He had that kind of ability. Haskins does not have the ability to play QB in the NFL. I mean the guy jumps up on the air sometimes when he is throwing a ball. He seriously was worse than Heath Shuler.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Remember when we thought Haskins and Guice were the future... That was just last yr lmao

2020 an epochal year for the world, and the Washington Football Team.

[Warthog]

I think Guice was over-rated. He showed fire and bursts of speed but he just couldn’t stay healthy. Even before the wife-beating issues, he could never stay off the IR and you need DURABILTY as a RB.

I’m super impressed with Gibson AND McCissick. They both play with a great motor and can open field run and catch. Perfect for this team and the way that the offense is evolving. “RB by committee” keeps them rested and fresh. The era of the one-man RB is over. With three RB, the players are always fresh and you can play them on their strengths!!


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[skinsfaninok]

JC was way better than Haskins and Ramsey tho

[Warthog]

The release of Haskins frees Rivera to either draft for a franchise QB and/or pick up a very good QB in FA.

I just don’t see Rivera going with the FA route. He already has Alex Smith as the bridge to starting the franchise QB draft pick . Alex mentors the new QB and maybe even starts a few games next season.

The NFL QB situation has changed. QB need to be able to run - gaining 50-100 yards a game with runs, and another 200-300 yds with passing. The QB running ability is putting defenses on their heals. Better to get a rookie who has the running AND passing ability - who can be coached up and mentored by Alex Smith. Smith is a decent passer but his running ability is near zero now.

If Rivera views his future as 5-10 years as HC here, why go for a FA QB who might only last a couple years? Draft the franchise QB and use FA to fill obvious holes on the team.


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[AnonEmouse]

Originally Posted by Warthog

The release of Haskins frees Rivera to either draft for a franchise QB and/or pick up a very good QB in FA.

I just don’t see Rivera going with the FA route. He already has Alex Smith as the bridge to starting the franchise QB draft pick . Alex mentors the new QB and maybe even starts a few games next season.

The NFL QB situation has changed. QB need to be able to run - gaining 50-100 yards a game with runs, and another 200-300 yds with passing. The QB running ability is putting defenses on their heals. Better to get a rookie who has the running AND passing ability - who can be coached up and mentored by Alex Smith. Smith is a decent passer but his running ability is near zero now.

If Rivera views his future as 5-10 years as HC here, why go for a FA QB who might only last a couple years? Draft the franchise QB and use FA to fill obvious holes on the team.


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Agreed but what if we do win the division, and maybe even a playoff game? Are we really likely to get a franchise QB in the bottom half of round 1? Do we get forced into trading up and giving up capital for other holes, or (imho) take BPA and hope a good QB development prospect falls to us in rd 2 or 3? I'd still keep the possibility of an FA QB on the table at least until we see what the draft allows us to pick up.

[Warthog]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

Agreed but what if we do win the division, and maybe even a playoff game? Are we really likely to get a franchise QB in the bottom half of round 1? Do we get forced into trading up and giving up capital for other holes, or (imho) take BPA and hope a good QB development prospect falls to us in rd 2 or 3? I'd still keep the possibility of an FA QB on the table at least until we see what the draft allows us to pick up.

For this season:
Play Alex Smith first but if he is not available then go to:

Plan B - Heinickle. He looked very good for his 9 minutes of play and I think he would be a decent substitute if Alex is still hurt. Obviously his play could have been a fluke, but frankly, I’d like to see more of him if Smith needs another week to recover.

Next Season: if the team wants to DRAFT a franchise hopeful QB, then they’ll need to TRADE UP. I’m NOT suggesting an RG3 Type deal to get to the second pick in the draft. I think you trade up to get to the third or fourth QB available. Maybe from 19th pick to 10th? Obviously a lot will depend on who Rivera likes at QB, and how many teams are looking for QB ahead of us in the draft.

My problem with going for a FA QB is the money issue. If you want someone like Dax, you’re going to have to commit to a
MASSIVE and long QB contract. He’s your man for better or worse. Do you get a Drew Breese type deal where he leads your team to victory over many seasons OR is it a Wentz-type situation with the Eagles, where they are committed to him and now are in the WORST Cap situation in the NFL next season.

Getting a high QB in the draft means he can be mentored by Alex Smith. He can be brought into Turners offense. I believe the Coaches & Scouts of the WFT can get us a franchise-level QB as long as SNYDER STAYS OUT OF IT.
Both Haskins and RG3 can be laid at the feet of Snyder.

Obviously, if Rivera wants a certain FA QB, then he has the cap money and power to get him. However, Rivera has built up the cap cash to the level that he can spread it to fill more than a few holes in the offense (WR, TE, OL) with very good FA. I believe his plan is to draft for the big holes and then fill in the rest with FA. But with just one FA QB signing Rivera could blow my theory right out of the water!!


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