Breaking: Trent Williams Suspended 4 Games

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

What if Trent played for New England? What do you think Hoody would do?

He might trade him, but under no circumstances would he ever release him.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

What if Trent played for New England? What do you think Hoody would do?

I'm fairly sure he would keep an all pro left tackle to protect Brady's blindside.

[FrenchSkin]

I have two questions:

1) When a player misses a test, why isn't the NFL forcing him to take another one?

I'm just surprised with how easy it seems "-hell I'm full of illegal substances I just won't go -Oh daaamn he didn't come, what are we gonna do?! There is absolutely no way we could say something like "you either take this test tomorrow morning or are suspended for the rest of the season"..."

2) Everyone seems to be 100% sure it was pot... how do we know that for sure? (not a rhetorical question, real one)

[Evilgrin]

Gotta be smarter, but he is a beast and he plays hurt for us all the time. He has a good attitude and I'm sure he understands how much he messed up.

[KI Skins Fan]

Let's not pretend that this isn't a big blow to the team. Franchise LT's don't grow on trees. We were in a position to come out of the bye relatively healthy and perhaps make a run but now this is going to be harder to do.

Kirk is going to get hit and sacked more with Trent out. This will lead to more turnovers. Also, the running game will suffer. Our offense may find itself in more long-yardage situations. I'm not even going to say what I'm worried about most. Perish the thought.

Hopefully, Gruden and McVay can come up with some creative ideas on offense that will help to compensate for Trent's absence. Perhaps some misdirection, screens, etc. to slow the rush. I dunno.

I hope I'm wrong.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Let's not pretend that this isn't a big blow to the team. Franchise LT's don't grow on trees. We were in a position to come out of the bye relatively healthy and perhaps make a run but now this is going to be harder to do.



Kirk is going to get hit and sacked more with Trent out. This will lead to more turnovers. Also, the running game will suffer. Our offense may find itself in more long-yardage situations. I'm not even going to say what I'm worried about most. Perish the thought.



Hopefully, Gruden and McVay can come up with some creative ideas on offense that will help to compensate for Trent's absence. Perhaps some misdirection, screens, etc. to slow the rush. I dunno.



I hope I'm wrong.

Go ahead say it I already did. If KC gets hurt than TW's 2 million dollar bag of weed cost him a QB too.

[Schneed10]

PS it's ok to be furious at Trent. I'm livid myself. I hope they strip the captain's C. But if McCloughan released him every GM in the league would laugh their asses off right after they submitted a waiver claim.

[CRedskinsRule]

Ok, I know this goes to the conspiratorial tinfoil hat mode, that avoids the rational discussion I just said we all want BUT ...

How is it that within 2 weeks of Josh Brown's being kicked for Domestic Abuse, Dallas and Washington suddenly face a possible major player distraction (Elliot's abuse case "not being closed in NFL eyes", and TW missing a drug test). I don't trust Mara, haven't since the salary cap theft, and somehow, these 2 things just don't seem random.

But they probably are, and I am probably just listening to the wrong cosmic waves...

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Ok, I know this goes to the conspiratorial tinfoil hat mode, that avoids the rational discussion I just said we all want BUT ...

How is it that within 2 weeks of Josh Brown's being kicked for Domestic Abuse, Dallas and Washington suddenly face a possible major player distraction (Elliot's abuse case "not being closed in NFL eyes", and TW missing a drug test). I don't trust Mara, haven't since the salary cap theft, and somehow, these 2 things just don't seem random.

But they probably are, and I am probably just listening to the wrong cosmic waves...

If this were a witch hunt by Mara, Trent would have been screaming to the media and on social media that he didn't miss a drug test or piss dirty. But he's been silent. He knows he broke the rule.

Remember, for the NFL to announce the 4 game suspension that means the player's appeal has already been heard.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

If this were a witch hunt by Mara, Trent would have been screaming to the media and on social media that he didn't miss a drug test or piss dirty. But he's been silent. He knows he broke the rule.

Remember, for the NFL to announce the 4 game suspension that means the player's appeal has already been heard.

Yes, I know that. But the same would have been true for Josh Brown's case in fact it would have been further along. That said, I mean it more in terms of Mara coercing more testing of Redskins then a targeting of TW. I have heard all year, and believe that some in the NFL have a target on Norman's back, and in fact many were saying his random tests were abnormally frequent. So in the tinfoil hat moment, if Mara knows via back room channels, that TW is doing weed, maybe he sways a random test when he knows he can pull a gotcha on TW. TW's silence definitely implies guilt, but that doesn't mean that all the factors involved in the situation were just happenstance.

All though they probably are.

Summing up - it's more my distrust of Mara's dealings in the NFL and his abuse of privilege then it is defending TW's innocence, because I doubt he is.

[Schneed10]

Actually, I hope they don't strip the captain's C necessarily. I hope Gruden puts it to the players to put it up for vote. Should we keep Trent as a captain, or should we give it to somebody else. Let the players vote, that way they choose to either stand by him or they choose to draw a hard line. The leadership role of the captaincy shouldn't come down from management - it's a decision the players should make. Keeping that decision with the players introduces the possibility that they rally together.

[rocnrik]

I would never release him..however I would trade him for 2 first round picks,a 2nd and a third and two starters....seriously what would you trade Trent for this offseason. would you do it for a 1st Rnd..or would you trade Trent even up for a top DL player . I know it aint happening but at least we can play GM .

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by rocnrik

I would never release him..however I would trade him for 2 first round picks,a 2nd and a third and two starters....seriously what would you trade Trent for this offseason. would you do it for a 1st Rnd..or would you trade Trent even up for a top DL player . I know it aint happening but at least we can play GM .

Well if you could get that kind of haul who wouldn't trade him? But you can't.

For what you could reasonably expect to get in return, I would never trade him. Our offense is built around strong pass protection, that's the entire foundation.

Jackson is rendered useless without protection, it takes time to get 40 yards downfield. If Jackson is rendered useless, then the safeties can clamp down on Reed and Crowder, and suddenly we're not running after the catch as much.

Trent is an unbelievably important player for us.

[punch it in]

SS84 also for the sake of your own sanity - one person made a comment to you , not knowing that it would hit home personally and he apologized.
If Schneed wants to say ur dumb learn to laugh at it like we all do. I mean we all have freedom of speech and thought here. Why it is such a great site. You are a bit pessimistic but at least you are not Redskins1980 - you are cordial about being a debbie downer. You dont say things like "you are all fucking stupid and ill laugh at you when ur fuckin team never wins again!" Honestly you bring points to the table to back your shit up. I think it would suck if you left.
Schneed as far as your first bullet point is this not the second time lightning has struck TW already?

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by punch it in

SS84 also for the sake of your own sanity - one person made a comment to you , not knowing that it would hit home personally and he apologized.
If Schneed wants to say ur dumb learn to laugh at it like we all do. I mean we all have freedom of speech and thought here. Why it is such a great site. You are a bit pessimistic but at least you are not Redskins1980 - you are cordial about being a debbie downer. You dont say things like "you are all fucking stupid and ill laugh at you when ur fuckin team never wins again!" Honestly you bring points to the table to back your shit up. I think it would suck if you left.
Schneed as far as your first bullet point is this not the second time lightning has struck TW already?

This TW's second time violating the NFL's drug policy. He was suspended the final four games of the 2011 season. A second failed test under league rules would result in a 16 game suspension. When / if he violates it a third time, I believe he is basically suspended for good / up to the commissioner if he ever is allowed back. But I think someone here said that he didn't go to take the test at all, which is only a four game suspension. We do not know for sure that it was marijuana, or only marijuana that he would have tested positive for if he had went.