Taylor to Return w/o Restructure or Paycut

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Its not like we were taking a huge gamble. It was a FREAK injury that could not have been predicted. Sure, there were risks involved in getting Taylor, but the risks were very slim. By all appearnces, he should have done well here. as to his being misused by Blache, hopefully Blache can come up with something better this year. Blache is not a good d-coordinator and hopefully he'll retire after this season so someone more aggressive and less loyal to aging under-performing veterance will replace him.

Let me make this clear. I have no beef with Taylor nor do I question his talent. If we use him to maximize his talents...fine. If not...the trade sucks...period. I just find it somewhat distressing that the season after we give up a couple of picks and 8.5 mil we're discussing how he should be used and whether he's worth it.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Its not like we were taking a huge gamble. It was a FREAK injury that could not have been predicted. Sure, there were risks involved in getting Taylor, but the risks were very slim. By all appearnces, he should have done well here. as to his being misused by Blache, hopefully Blache can come up with something better this year. Blache is not a good d-coordinator and hopefully he'll retire after this season so someone more aggressive and less loyal to aging under-performing veterance will replace him.

BHA u can't have it both ways... in one recent post u stated we typically have below-average talent on our roster and here u say Blache is a bad d-coordinator. Well if we really have below average talent (on d) and a bad coordinator how do we get to a 4th best overall rating?

... i tend to think our talent on d is above average slightly (very good secondary and average front 7 at least through last year) and our defensive coordinator does pretty well w/ what we've got but has made some serious errors. As GTripp has pointed out when we blitzed mostly last year the results were disastrous yet Blache didn't adjust quickly. Basically I'll say w/ a nice addition or two at OLB and the line (assuming we resign Hall) and if Blache learns from his flubs we'll continue to be a top 5 defense.

[over the mountain]

In an interview on WJFK-FM, Redskins defensive end Jason Taylor was candid about his performance, which has included only 1.5 sacks and 25 tackles despite averaging around 41 snaps in 11 games.

"I'll be the first to tell you - I stink right now," he said on "The Junkies." "I may not be worth $8 million [in 2009], but I know one thing: This dog can still hunt. You put me in the right situation and right position, and I'll hunt all day."

Asked whether he's being used correctly, Taylor said: "I'm not here to complain. I'm just a player, and this is the scheme, and I have to fit into it and find a way to be successful. If I had my druthers, it is what it is."

^^ this is from an interview JT did in december. i thought there was more to him talking about how he was used, maybe it was another interview where he said he doesnt like to be one hand in the dirt all the time lined up against a tackle.

to blache's defense (haha i funny), it seems he did try to move JT around more in the last few games . . .

heres an article on blache and his view on using the front 7:

Published: December 15, 2008

Back when the Washington Redskins’ freefall was merely a slide, defensive coordinator Greg Blache got testy when he was repeatedly asked about his unit’s inability to generate sacks on opposing offenses.
They were doing just fine without the sacks, Blache replied. And at the time, they were.
Sacks, as a statistic, are overrated anyway. The success of others can lead to a sack for you, so it’s not always a true measure of individual accomplishment. Sacks do have their place.
Quarterback hurries are a more telling number. When a defensive player beats his blocker and forces the quarterback to rush a throw, that’s an individual accomplishment.
The problem for the Redskins lies in the difference between the two.
Washington falls in the middle of the league in quarterback hurries. Their 59 ties them for 14th, which doesn’t include Monday night’s Browns-Eagles game. Andre Carter leads the team with 15; Demetric Evans is second with seven. By comparison, Dallas’ DeMarcus Ware is the league leader at 27; Minnesota’s Jared Allen is second with 26.
It should be easy to see the correlation, then, that the teams with the most hurries are usually the ones with the most sacks. You can’t sack the quarterback if you can’t get to him.
There’s Dallas (90 hurries, 53 sacks, both first); Tennessee (second in hurries, seventh in sacks); Minnesota (third in both); Baltimore (fourth in hurries, 10th in sacks) and Pittsburgh (tied for fifth in hurries, second in sacks). Those teams are getting to the quarterback and taking him down.
The Redskins, meanwhile, are getting to the quarterback at an average rate. They’re taking him down at a severely reduced rate. So despite the 59 hurries, they’ve got only 21 sacks to show for it; 35.6 percent, or less than four of 10, of the Redskins’ hurries result in a sack.
While not the league’s worst, it’s in the neighborhood, where Washington lives with some of the league’s worst teams generally. Only Cincinnati, Cleveland and Kansas City have a worse conversion rate, if you will. Tampa Bay bucks the trend; despite its 38.0 percent conversion rate, the Bucs are in line for a playoff spot.
Conversely, the NFL’s better teams are near the top of the list, but not always. Oakland leads the league with a 69.2 conversion rate, though that says more about the Raiders’ woeful lack of hurries than their pedestrian 27 sacks.
Behind Oakland is a more expected list: the New York Jets, in contention in a crowded AFC East; Carolina, emerging as a potential NFC champion; resurgent Philadelphia and Miami.
That the Redskins are unable to generate pressure should not be a surprise. They have not had a dominant defensive end in the Daniel Snyder era; even when that position was a concern after last season, the Redskins paid it lip service by drafting Rob Jackson in the seventh round.
And, no matter what Blache says, it must be a concern too.
Not only does his unit fail to harass opposing quarterbacks, it fails further in capitalizing on the chances it does have.

I think JT will have a better year but am not overly optimistic blache will change the way he does things.

go skins!! sorry if this is long, i suck at providing links

[horny4zorny-nohomo]

if i got that much $ i would get atleast 5 sacks!

[GTripp0012]

I ultimately decided to vote for this decision.

I don't like that Vinny can't see a sunk cost. He probably should have taken longer to consider this move. But Taylor is owed no guaranteed money by this team, so his contract structure is advantageous for a player his age. Cutting him does not improve our team because he represents raw talent. It only opens up an opportunity to improve our team. And the free agent market doesn't appear to be as full as it did a week ago. There's no guarantee we could improve on Jason Taylor if we were to cut him.

Honestly, we probably could improve on him. But it would just cost us more money in future years, and Taylor is capable of giving us production, so long as Blache doesn't misuse him.

[53Fan]

Well said Hamoskinz!

[Dirtbag59]

If Jason Taylor is granted the freedom to shoot the gaps as he desires then 64.2% of you will be eating your words in February 2010.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

If Jason Taylor is granted the freedom to shoot the gaps as he desires then 64.2% of you will be eating your words in February 2010.

IF he's granted the freedom. That's my whole point. Should that even be a question? Why did we sign him last year at such a steep price and NOT allow him to have freedom? Should'nt we already know how we're going to use an established player whose been in the league for YEARS before we give up 2 draft picks and 8.5 million for him? It's funny how everyone who thinks this is a good deal precedes their comments with "IF". Nobody's really SURE how we're going to use him are they? That's the problem. Halfway through the 2 years we signed him for, they're trying to figure out the best way to use him. It's getting kinda late for that isn't it? The original trade was not worth it but there's no need in crying over spilt milk. Is it worth it to keep him this year at 8.5? Maybe..IF they use him to the best of his abilities and we can still stop the run.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

If Jason Taylor is granted the freedom to shoot the gaps as he desires then 64.2% of you will be eating your words in February 2010.

Won't the ultimate irony be if he turns in a dynamite season and all of the naysayers then turn into a 'let's offer him a 2 year deal so he doesn't retire' crowd?

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Won't the ultimate irony be if he turns in a dynamite season and all of the naysayers then turn into a 'let's offer him a 2 year deal so he doesn't retire' crowd?

Of course if he doesn't everyone will say he wasn't used correctly. I think we could have got him for less and I think that's important when we need other FA's this year. JMO.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Of course if he doesn't everyone will say he wasn't used correctly. I think we could have got him for less and I think that's important when we need other FA's this year. JMO.

53 You and I both know if he is not in that RDE position then thats exacly what they will say. With good reason. I dont have as much of an issue with the 8.5 under the circumstances. We can only hope the $ was considered by FO and discussed with his agent.

[SBXVII]

I'm concerned about what some are talking about doing. Move Taylor to RDE. Ok, he did better there in Miami so moving him will help him but not Carter. Carter is small also to be on the LDE spot. Is there a chance we rotate Carter and Taylor to keep fresh legs on the field. Is there a chance we move Taylor to LB on the same side as Carter creating an over load on one side? Move Evans to LDE? Move whoever is on Carters side now at LB or the other side? Then look for another big body to help clog the middle and stop the run/ create a pass rush?

Is that why DS was having dinner with Haynesworth's agent to get a feel for the money needed to bring him in. Then speak with the coach's and see if letting someone go is the answer to picking up Haynesworth? or was he talking with the agent about a draft prospect? I don't see how they could do it money wise but could they still sign Haynesworth for the D-line help we need keep Taylor and move him and still sign Hall? Who would have to be let go for that to work? I just can't see us doing all of it.

[Hamoskinz]

I don't mind eating my words and Taylor goes crazy in our defense than vice versa. Anyway, its done and he is staying in B'n'g so I'm hoping Blache gives him the flexibility to move around and makes plays and stay 120% healthy throughout the year.

HTTR

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Hamoskinz

I don't mind eating my words and Taylor goes crazy in our defense than vice versa. Anyway, its done and he is staying in B'n'g so I'm hoping Blache gives him the flexibility to move around and makes plays and stay 120% healthy throughout the year.

HTTR

Absolutely. The team winning is much more important to me than anything else. I hope he has a James Harrison year.

[skinsfan69]

The FO needs to cut this guy ASAP. Go get someone who is going to be here 4-5 years. Not a guy who is here for one more year at 8 million. This whole JT thing is a big mess. It was a mess when they made the trade and it's even worse now. Even when he was healthy he wasn't doing a damn thing and it all starts with your off season preperation and JT did none. That's why Parcells got rid of him. When you get to the age JT is at you have to work harder to keep yourself playing at a high level and he didn't do it. Then he got hurt. But I'd be willing to bet that if he didn't get hurt he would've had an off year. Parcells is no dummy. You think Parcells is going to get rid of a top NFL pass rusher if he thinks he can still help him win? Parcells got over on us and it's time to cut the cord and move on.