With the 19th Pick, the WFT selects....

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Probably 3 terrible busts from the top 5 QB this year.

Jones, Lance stand out immediately. Fields in that group too.

Never before have I heard so much certainty from so called experts on these guys when it comes to potential. These fuckin clowns.

I would avoid first round QB this year, it’s a wildly overrated class. Skins should also not draft one in the second round, third rounds. We have 3 QB on the roster, take this year to continue to add talent to the areas we need it most, it would be much more impactful

Amen. Certainly not trade up. Historically speaking, 2-3 of 5 will bust. To me, Jones safer than Lance and Fields, but who knows, he doesn't have elite athleticism but is more like Peyton Manning or Brees 2.0. Without tons of talent, he could fall off a cliff though.

Historically speaking, one of next 5-10 QBs after top-5 will be better than half of top-5. Question is which ones? A good FO can find the ones, and we can still get a franchise LT or whatever in 1st round.

If you put a gun to my head and forced me to roll the dice on Lance, Fields, or Jones, it is tough because Jones is safe pick, but Lance has a CANNON arm. So hard to find franchise QB, but I'm rolling dice, would at least be a guy with elite arm. Would be very interesting to see film of Jones making NFL throws only, rather than the gravy throws on his highlight reels.

[SkinzWin]

This is a great article about Micah Parsons.

https://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefo...-blessing.html

[skinsfan69]

History shows 2 or 3 out of the 5 that will go in the first round will bust. Jones to me isn't even a first rounder.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

History shows 2 or 3 out of the 5 that will go in the first round will bust. Jones to me isn't even a first rounder.

Physical talent, maybe not even a 2nd rounder.
But QB is 90% mental and mechanics. We see all sorts of athletic freaks, Jackson, Newton, etc., who never win big because they can't read Ds super fast mentally, aren't accurate, etc. Brees, Manning, Brady, Montana, guys in playoffs (or were) year in and out, are much more like Jones than any of QBs rated higher except of course Lawrence.
Not saying I know, but you see so many great athletes who can't ever elevate mentally, and never have to correct mechanics because they always take off running. Pocket passers win long term in NFL. So lots of teams may place a premium on a guy they KNOW has that 90% of game down and is elite mentally, even if some athletic limitations. Again not saying I know, but the interesting thing is that people who know QBs--professionals who feed their families scouting--disagree so strongly.
Lance and Fields may never be able to read a D and be pocket passers and could be total busts. Jones may never have the arm to punish you deep, but should be at least a serviceable starter. Which is a greater liability? I do not know, but opinions vary. I would say I would feel a hell of a lot better taking a guy like Jones near 20 rather than top 10.
Lance's arm strength is really intriguing, but he should be rated 2nd or 3rd round, but sheer demand of market drives that price much higher and always will for QBs. So what do you do?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

This is a great article about Micah Parsons.

https://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefo...-blessing.html

This is an outstanding article...thanks for sharing.

Parsons could be the best defensive player in the class...I wouldn’t have a problem moving up a little if he fell

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

This is a great article about Micah Parsons.

https://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefo...-blessing.html

His mom thinking about murdering him as a baby has zero relevance to his draft status.

It's a local feel-good article about a Penn State player.


There are legitimate reasons so many teams do not want to draft him.

He may actually fall to 19 and if we're in a gambling mood on character issues, we might take him. It bit us hard with Guice last time we tried to overlook character issues.



Id rather take Zavan Collins or Owusu-Koramoah.

[skinsfaninok]

I don't think Parsons will be there at 19

[Chief X_Phackter]

But I thought he had all kind of character issues and red flags that would cause him to slide...

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

But I thought he had all kind of character issues and red flags that would cause him to slide...

I heard the same thing. They talked about it at length the other day on SiriusXM NFL Radio, one incident was in high school. Another was alleged with a civil suit against his college by a former teammate (safety) but he was not named directly in the suit. The other issue was some comments made on social media while being recruited by Ohio State and they wound up ghosting him. A couple of people I have heard have couches for his character and said his issues were in high school when he was younger.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

I heard the same thing. They talked about it at length the other day on SiriusXM NFL Radio, one incident was in high school. Another was alleged with a civil suit against his college by a former teammate (safety) but he was not named directly in the suit. The other issue was some comments made on social media while being recruited by Ohio State and they wound up ghosting him. A couple of people I have heard have couches for his character and said his issues were in high school when he was younger.

You don't magically become a fundamentally different person in college. You don't win drafting criminals, period. Maybe it never becomes an issue, but not worth the risk. We just cut wasted 2nd round pick (Guice), plus Dunbar and others, you don't take those risks with 1st round picks.

[NYCskinfan82]

Micah Parsons is not falling to us and 19, but if he did it you should hand that card in immediately.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

Micah Parsons is not falling to us and 19, but if he did it you should hand that card in immediately.

Absolutely a no brainer. But like you said, there's zero chance he's there at 19.

[Chief X_Phackter]

If there weren't this crazy infatuation with this year's "top 5" QBs, he'd be gone inside 5. He still might be.

[SunnySide]

CB Asante Samuel ... thats my pick as who we take. A bit early but some reports have him being the best CB in the draft, bit undersized, CB is not a huge need now for us but I think they go BPA based on their board and they have Samuel high.

edit - I dont think I would take Samuel at 19 personally, trade back into late1st yes but not at 19. This is my guess on what the skins will do.

[Schneed10]

WFT should stick at 19 and take whichever player is ranked highest on this list who remains available when they pick:

1) Trevor Lawrence
2) Zach Wilson
3) Penei Sewell
4) Kyle Pitts
5tie) Jaylen Waddle
5tie) Ja'Marr Chase
7) Justin Fields
8) Micah Parsons
9) Trey Lance
10) Caleb Farley
11) DeVonta Smith
12) Patrick Surtain
13tie) Rashawn Slater
13tie) Christian Darrisaw
15) Mac Jones
16) Teven Jenkins
17) Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah
18) Zaven Collins
19) Alijah Vera-Tucker (G-T versatility)

There are some edge dudes that belong in this top 19 list, but like F we need an edge. Boy does it feel good to say that.