My evaluation of Shanahan starts now

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I've noted in a couple of threads that we have drafted the most number of players (21) in the league and the most OL (7) over the past 3 drafts

Agreed with the other stuff you said. I keep seeing from lots of people that we drafted the most players over 3 drafts, only 21 guys, 7 picks a year. Seemed odd for that to be the most, so I looked at a couple other teams:

The past 3 drafts according to Pro-Football-Reference.com - Pro Football Statistics and History

Patriots - 28 (LINK)

Eagles - 33! (LINK)

Steelers - 26 (LINK)

Does our "21 players over 3 years" refer to players that survive their first training camp? The most players our franchise has drafted over a 3 year span? Considering the draft used to be 12 rounds deep probably not. Or is it a simple mistake?

Edit: Just counted my own list, lol. We've drafted 21 players the past two drafts, 27 total the past 3 drafts. Looking at those other teams now:

Edit 2: OK, over a two year span:

Patriots: 14
Eagles: 20
Steelers: 16
Redskins: 21

Edit 3: We had the most players drafted the past TWO drafts at 21. Vikings and Eagles each drafted 20. And more than one team drafted more than we did over the past three drafts.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Well, can't have an evaluation without a draft history. (shamelessly copied off wiki - LINK) Even though it's too early to conclusively judge even the 2010 draft, here it is.


2010 Draft
Rd Pick Overall Name Position College
1 4 4 Trent Williams OT Oklahoma
4 5 103 Perry Riley LB Louisiana State
6 5 174 Dennis Morris TE Louisiana Tech
7 12 219 Terrence Austin WR UCLA
7 22 229 Erik Cook G New Mexico
7 24 231 Selvish Capers OT West Virginia

2011 Draft
Round Pick Overall Name Position College
1 16 16 Ryan Kerrigan DE Purdue
2 9 41 Jarvis Jenkins DT Clemson
3 15 79 Leonard Hankerson WR Miami
4 8 105 Roy Helu RB Nebraska
5 15 146 DeJon Gomes S Nebraska
5 24 155 Niles Paul WR Nebraska
6 12 177 Evan Royster RB Penn State
6 13 178 Aldrick Robinson WR Southern Methodist
7 10 213 Brandyn Thompson CB Boise State
7 14 217 Maurice Hurt OT Florida
7 21 224 Markus White DE Florida State
7 50 253 Chris Neild DT West Virginia

2012 Draft
Round Pick Overall Name Position College
1 2 2 Robert Griffin III QB Baylor
3 8 71 Josh LeRibeus OG Southern Methodist
4 7 102 Kirk Cousins QB Mich St
4 24 119 Keenan Robinson ILB Texas
5 6 141 Adam Gettis OG Iowa
6 3 173 Alfred Morris RB FAU
6 23 193 Tom Compton OT South Dakota
7 6 213 Richard Crawford CB Southern Methodist
7 10 217 Jordan Bernstine S Iowa

Thoughts? Anybody want to grade this so far?

out of 27 picks, 14 picks were 6th or 7th rounders. just saying

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

out of 27 picks, 14 picks were 6th or 7th rounders. just saying

Trading down trying to build depth. Could work out in the long run but all of the 6th and 7th rounders from 2010 have been cut, along with Markus White from 2011. Also, Nield (2011) might have been cut if he hadn't gone on IR.

[GTripp0012]

6 starters so far, all the first rounders have pro bowl type potential, a little bit of upside elsewhere?

Solidly average, and trending a little bit upward (above average in 2011 and 2012 combined).

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

6 starters so far, all the first rounders have pro bowl type potential, a little bit of upside elsewhere?

Solidly average, and trending a little bit upward (above average in 2011 and 2012 combined).

Yeah. I really liked the 2011 draft. Neither Shanallen nor the previous regime seems to like 2nd-3rd rounders though, and I thought that was the "sweet" part of the draft. 1st round talent at much lower salaries. I don't know how true that is with the new rookie salary cap.

[WilbursHomie]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Didn't 11 of 12 draft picks get on the field at some point last season?

See, there you go. Thats a ton of young talent. So when one ends up being a great player, we'll have them on the way up, playing for that big dollar second contract. Good things are coming. The only bad thing is that our whole division does that really well. Except Dallas...they do nothing well...ever...except suck ass.

[KI Skins Fan]

We seem to do fine in the first four rounds. After that, there doesn't seem to be all that much potential. My preliminary conclusion would be that trading down hasn't helped much, if at all.

Allow me to restate the obvious: based on what we gave up in future high draft picks for RGIII, we need him to be an outstanding player. If he becomes our Franchise QB for ten years, Shanahan's draft grade goes way up IMO.

I think Cousins was a shrewd pick. If he develops the way I think he will, then he will be a valuable asset either on the field or as a trade chip.

Also, if Leonard Hankerson and Jarvis Jenkins can get back to where they were physically before their injuries, I think they could become stars.

[Mechanix544]

The last two drafts have been B's. Now those B's can also turn into A's over the course of a season or two. But right now, I think he has brought fukking sanity back to drafting here in DC. Thank god.

[skinsfaninok]

I have a Question.... Who really cares about jc being a redskin anymore???

[mooby]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I have a Question.... Who really cares about jc being a redskin anymore???

This.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I have a Question.... Who really cares about jc being a redskin anymore???

Fans who can't let sh*t go, we have a lot of them.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I'd give 2010 a C because while we got two starters from that draft, one has a major mark against him in Williams. The rest of that draft class was worthless.

The 2011 draft gets an A-. Seven players will be counted on to contribute in 2012, that's pretty impressive. I doubt there are any potential All Pro players other than Kerrigan but all of them will be playing a role every Sunday.

Of course it is too soon to judge the 2012 draft but I'll go with a grade no lower than a B-. We've solved the QB spot two deep for the next 5 years or worst case have a potential trade chip in Cousins. I think Crawford has something at the CB position and have hopes that LeRib and Gettis will be factors on the OL in 2013 and beyond.

Part of the plan was clearly to get younger and more 'home grown'. I've noted in a couple of threads that we have drafted the most number of players (21) in the league and the most OL (7) over the past 3 drafts, although 4 OL and 18 (plus Nield) remain on the roster. That is a huge improvement from the old, mismatched roster that was here in 2009.

One of the things the Steelers, Patriots, Giants of the league have done is cultivate a culture and a 'brand' for lack of a better term and they have drafted, traded and signed free agents according to their philosophy. This is what Shanahan is trying to do IMO.

Great post I agree but why would Mike have a bad mark for drafting tw? Not like he knew he was a doper but seriously Williams is our best player on offense besides Griff of course. Overall I give them a B- for all three drafts.

[skinsfan69]

It's all going to come down to whether or not RG3 is a top QB. They have to hit on RG3 and hit big. If they do then that means we have a shot at being a consistent playoff to Supe Bowl contending type of team. If he's middle of the pack or worse then Shanahan and his son will be gone for rolling the dice on this mega trade that failed.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

It's all going to come down to whether or not RG3 is a top QB. They have to hit on RG3 and hit big. If they do then that means we have a shot at being a consistent playoff to Supe Bowl contending type of team. If he's middle of the pack or worse then Shanahan and his son will be gone for rolling the dice on this mega trade that failed.

All of this

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

It's all going to come down to whether or not RG3 is a top QB. They have to hit on RG3 and hit big. If they do then that means we have a shot at being a consistent playoff to Supe Bowl contending type of team. If he's middle of the pack or worse then Shanahan and his son will be gone for rolling the dice on this mega trade that failed.

Uhhh yes.

QB is the name of the game in the NFL. Having a good one young enough to lead for years is key.