Replacement refs: The story the NFL wants to keep quiet

[Alvin Walton]

I thought they did a quite decent job last night. Professional even.

[los panda]

i only saw the last 20 game minutes, didn't see anything that was horrible. saw that string of, what, 4 or 5 plays in a row w a penalty

[Swarley]

Honestly I've seen worse from some actual NFL officials. I dont think it was that bad. That said, I'm sure the NFL picked their best team for that game and I bet we can expect some off the wall calls this weekend once they have to dig deeper into the "talent" pool. I think we can almost guarantee that we'll have at least once team lose a game due to a bad call.

[skinsfan69]

They missed a few obvious calls Mon. The one in the end zone when Cruz was held was god awful. I saw a few illegal contact calls that were missed. But to be honest, the regular refs make terrible calls week in and week out. They throw flags when the QB is looked at the wrong way. So what's worse, making a terrible call? Or missing an obvious one? From what I see, these new guys are letting them play a little bit and I don't mind that.

[Meks]

operation stir the pot?
success.

[mooby]

Side judge pulled from Saints-Panthers game after his Facebook page showed Saints fandom | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo! Sports

A clear-as-day Saints fan being allowed to ref the Saints-Panthers game? No conflict of interest there lol. Clearly the NFL did their homework on these refs.

[The Goat]

The officiating this season is obscene. But players and coaches have to keep their cool, or else the officiating becomes an advantage for the opponent as we saw today. Fisher (the superior coach no doubt) stayed pretty calm and focused, and his players did for the most part as well. Shanahan lost his cool and his focus, looked like a raving lunatic at times, and his team's focus went to sh!t.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by The Goat

The officiating this season is obscene. But players and coaches have to keep their cool, or else the officiating becomes an advantage for the opponent as we saw today. Fisher (the superior coach no doubt) stayed pretty calm and focused, and his players did for the most part as well. Shanahan lost his cool and his focus, looked like a raving lunatic at times, and his team's focus went to sh!t.

Wait what? Were we watching the same game? Because they showed Fisher screaming at the refs multiple times during the game. Not to mention all the post-whistle shit the players were pulling, like Robert Quinn pushing RG3's head to the ground after his sack and the Rams taking every opportunity to push Skins players after the tackle, or Cortland Finnegan doing his usual shit. They were most certainly engaged in post-whistle tactics designed to get the Redskins to lose their shit, and the 'Skins managed to hold their cool most of the game until Josh Morgan's killer penalty at the end.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by mooby

Wait what? Were we watching the same game? Because they showed Fisher screaming at the refs multiple times during the game. Not to mention all the post-whistle shit the players were pulling, like Robert Quinn pushing RG3's head to the ground after his sack and the Rams taking every opportunity to push Skins players after the tackle, or Cortland Finnegan doing his usual shit. They were most certainly engaged in post-whistle tactics designed to get the Redskins to lose their shit, and the 'Skins managed to hold their cool most of the game until Josh Morgan's killer penalty at the end.

Sorry dude but I think that's just a lot of whining. The Rams endured just as horrible calls as we did. The TD pass in the 1st quarter ruled out of bounds was a TD no two ways about it. Fisher should have challenged, but the bottom line that's a TD the Rams deserved. Jackson's run was probably a TD as well, and when he lost it Fisher immediately benched him. I don't think the Rams were unsportsmanlike today. They played far more physical than we did, period. A lot of that has to do with coaching, and indeed we were totally out-coached today. The Rams deserved the win...no excuses.

[RedskinsParadigm]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Sorry dude but I think that's just a lot of whining. The Rams endured just as horrible calls as we did. The TD pass in the 1st quarter ruled out of bounds was a TD no two ways about it. Fisher should have challenged, but the bottom line that's a TD the Rams deserved. Jackson's run was probably a TD as well, and when he lost it Fisher immediately benched him. I don't think the Rams were unsportsmanlike today. They played far more physical than we did, period. A lot of that has to do with coaching, and indeed we were totally out-coached today. The Rams deserved the win...no excuses.

Well after the game, Fisher said Jackson suffered a groin injury.

I absolutely thought the Rams were unsportsmanlike today...I don't even think there was a question about it. Having said that, I don't think the replacement refs had any effect on the outcome of the game. The Rams were robbed of two TDs and assisted the Redskins on at least one scoring drive with a dubious call. The Redskins were also victims of awful calls (Fletcher's phantom late hit) and missed calls the other way, but at the end of the day, both teams suffered from the refs.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Sorry dude but I think that's just a lot of whining. The Rams endured just as horrible calls as we did. The TD pass in the 1st quarter ruled out of bounds was a TD no two ways about it. Fisher should have challenged, but the bottom line that's a TD the Rams deserved. Jackson's run was probably a TD as well, and when he lost it Fisher immediately benched him. I don't think the Rams were unsportsmanlike today. They played far more physical than we did, period. A lot of that has to do with coaching, and indeed we were totally out-coached today. The Rams deserved the win...no excuses.

I agree. I'm so tired of all the bitching about the refs. The regualr refs make shitty calls every single week. Actually we got more breaks than they did. We had plenty of chances to win this game and just didn't do it. We lost and deserved to.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I agree. I'm so tired of all the bitching about the refs. The regualr refs make shitty calls every single week. Actually we got more breaks than they did. We had plenty of chances to win this game and just didn't do it. We lost and deserved to.

The big problem isn't the "shitty calls" because calls tend to break both ways. The problems with the refs is that they aren't controlling the game either timewise or professionalism. I forget the circumstance, but there was one forward pass, clearly forward, that bounced around and players started going after the ball because no whistle was blown. A) that allowed time to run off, and B) put's players at risk for injury when a play should have been blown dead.

These are the things that going to get players injured, and/or cause a team to lose a game based on bad time management (ie the Seahawks game last week).

Finally, you can't look at the late hit Fletcher took late in the game and say that that was an honest play. The Rams player took a cheap shot and got away with it. Not the way the NFL wants to protect players.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Sorry dude but I think that's just a lot of whining. The Rams endured just as horrible calls as we did. The TD pass in the 1st quarter ruled out of bounds was a TD no two ways about it. Fisher should have challenged, but the bottom line that's a TD the Rams deserved. Jackson's run was probably a TD as well, and when he lost it Fisher immediately benched him. I don't think the Rams were unsportsmanlike today. They played far more physical than we did, period. A lot of that has to do with coaching, and indeed we were totally out-coached today. The Rams deserved the win...no excuses.

I never said the refs made bad calls against us, in fact it appears you missed my point entirely. The refs made bad calls against both sides. I agree that they missed the td call, but Fisher certainly had the option to challenge and he elected not to. Jackson's run should've been from the 17 yard line, because the refs didn't penalize Jeff Fisher 15 yards for challenging an automatically reviewed play, so that entire sequence of events was ****ed up. And he was pulled from the game because he had a groin injury, not because Fisher benched him for spiking the ball. Might want to read up on that, yeah? And I agree with you in that they were more physical, but they were definitely more physical after the whistle too, as well as taking every opportunity they could to talk shit to our guys to get them to retaliate.

I agree we were out-coached, but for far different reasons. They knew how to gameplan for Haz's defense from the start, and he never adjusted because he apparently doesn't adjust. As far as offense goes, not much was working. The Rams sent pressure on anything longer than a 3 step drop, and even screens weren't working. They were just ready for what we tried to do. But the offense still put up 21 points, and we had a 21-6 lead. That was plenty enough to win the game right there, but the defense couldn't hold them.

At the end of the day though, the thing with the refs that most concerns me is their failure to maintain control throughout the game. There was a lot of cheap shots going on, post-whistle scrums, and I felt like it was obvious they were trying to get away with a lot more stuff than they'd try to do if the normal refs were in there. I'm not concerned about the calls, because like I said there were plenty of bad calls on both sides.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by mooby

I never said the refs made bad calls against us, in fact it appears you missed my point entirely. The refs made bad calls against both sides. I agree that they missed the td call, but Fisher certainly had the option to challenge and he elected not to. Jackson's run should've been from the 17 yard line, because the refs didn't penalize Jeff Fisher 15 yards for challenging an automatically reviewed play, so that entire sequence of events was ****ed up. And he was pulled from the game because he had a groin injury, not because Fisher benched him for spiking the ball. Might want to read up on that, yeah? And I agree with you in that they were more physical, but they were definitely more physical after the whistle too, as well as taking every opportunity they could to talk shit to our guys to get them to retaliate.

I agree we were out-coached, but for far different reasons. They knew how to gameplan for Haz's defense from the start, and he never adjusted because he apparently doesn't adjust. As far as offense goes, not much was working. The Rams sent pressure on anything longer than a 3 step drop, and even screens weren't working. They were just ready for what we tried to do. But the offense still put up 21 points, and we had a 21-6 lead. That was plenty enough to win the game right there, but the defense couldn't hold them.

At the end of the day though, the thing with the refs that most concerns me is their failure to maintain control throughout the game. There was a lot of cheap shots going on, post-whistle scrums, and I felt like it was obvious they were trying to get away with a lot more stuff than they'd try to do if the normal refs were in there. I'm not concerned about the calls, because like I said there were plenty of bad calls on both sides.

During the game at least twice I heard announcers say that when asked the Rams sideline stated nothing was physically wrong with Jackson. If Fischer changed the story later that's his deal.

I have no idea what you're talking about otherwise....just lots of randomness there. Bottom line we we're soundly outcoached in all facets of the game i.e. special teams, offense and defense. Any discussion of the refs is just making excuses.

[Ruhskins]

I really hope the sports media makes a bigger deal out of this replacement refs situation. I just don't know what else can happen. The mistakes made by the refs have gotten worst and I hope someone calls out the league for it.