Mike Singletary Fired

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by irish

The problem with Gibbs 2.0 was that he gave away loads of draft picks that should now be contributing members of the Redskins. His record is what it is, its has lasting "legacy" of giving away draft picks thats really coming back to bite the organization now.

Originally Posted by Defensewins

You are over simplifying the so called problem. Even when we had draft picks, we picked poorly. What good are draft picks if you have Vinny Cerrato and Snyder weighing on the decision. For example, the 2008 where we had 10 draft picks, not a single player is note worthy. Only Kareem Moore and Fred Davis are just now starting to make some noise. The rest are all gone or on IR.
The problem was not that we did not have enough draft picks. It was poor player evaluation/management. Proof is even the FA we signed sucked. Truth is Gibbs turned over a playoff to team Vinny and Zorn and they ran the teami nto the ground yet again.

You're both right -- Gibbs set us back by trading away draft picks, but it wouldn't have mattered even if we had them because Gibbs/Snyder/Cerrato weren't good talent evaluators anyhow.

If we could go back and choose, I'd still take my chances with more draft picks, even if the people who were making those decisions sucked at it. Even broken clocks are right twice a day -- the more picks you have, sooner or later one or two is going to hit.

We were screwed either way.

[Arrrgh!]

Given the disruption and uncertainty that's marked the past two seasons, I think it's only fair to say that the jury is still out on the Shannahans. I'd give 'em another season (at the very least) and allow their program to grow some roots, before I start making any hard and fast pronouncements.

[Shadowbyte]

I don't see why anyone hasn't discussed the real reason why Singlegary isn't the coach of the 49ers anymore. The reason is simple, Shuan Hill. Before the 2008 season, Singletary made Hill the starter, that's because he was 7-3 the prior season. Then Hill went 3 and 0 in 2009, and lost his 4th game to the last second miracle by Brett Farve in Minnessota.

The following week against Houston, they fell 21-0 after one half, and what does the inept Singleatary do? Take out the only QB who's had a winning record in SF since Jeff Garcia retired, and put in the loser Alex Smith. Suffice to say, the 49ers have had a losing record ever since. The dumbest move he could of done was jetison Hill over to Detroit, so Alex could continue to lose the team ball games un-impeded.

And the sad thing is, no one in SF realized that, on talk radio all day, I would hear people chastise Singletary for "not giving Alex Smith a fair chance". It was amzing how many excuses the SF media and fans would make for him, Singletary listened, and it cost him his job. I'll never forget when he said "Shaun has taken us as far as he can take us". Oh really, a OB with a 10-4 record isn't good enough to retain the starting position? Good riddance.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Shadowbyte

I don't see why anyone hasn't discussed the real reason why Singlegary isn't the coach of the 49ers anymore. The reason is simple, Shuan Hill. Before the 2008 season, Singletary made Hill the starter, that's because he was 7-3 the prior season. Then Hill went 3 and 0 in 2009, and lost his 4th game to the last second miracle by Brett Farve in Minnessota.

The following week against Houston, they fell 21-0 after one half, and what does the inept Singleatary do? Take out the only QB who's had a winning record in SF since Jeff Garcia retired, and put in the loser Alex Smith. Suffice to say, the 49ers have had a losing record ever since. The dumbest move he could of done was jetison Hill over to Detroit, so Alex could continue to lose the team ball games un-impeded.

And the sad thing is, no one in SF realized that, on talk radio all day, I would hear people chastise Singletary for "not giving Alex Smith a fair chance". It was amzing how many excuses the SF media and fans would make for him, Singletary listened, and it cost him his job. I'll never forget when he said "Shaun has taken us as far as he can take us". Oh really, a OB with a 10-4 record isn't good enough to retain the starting position? Good riddance.

I heard a lot of it had to do with getting into the faces of offensive players on the sidelines during games and not keeping his cool. It's fine to be fiery and act like a maniac when you're a middle linebacker. But not as a head coach.

[Shadowbyte]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I heard a lot of it had to do with getting into the faces of offensive players on the sidelines during games and not keeping his cool. It's fine to be fiery and act like a maniac when you're a middle linebacker. But not as a head coach.

Really? Have you ever seen the sideline blow-ups between Bill Parcells and Phil Simms? I don't see how those are any different. If he was winning, they wouldn't care if he yelled or not. And the reason they're not winning is because they traded the only QB who's been consistently winning for them.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Shadowbyte

Really? Have you ever seen the sideline blow-ups between Bill Parcells and Phil Simms? I don't see how those are any different. If he was winning, they wouldn't care if he yelled or not. And the reason they're not winning is because they traded the only QB who's been consistently winning for them.

Yes, really. Apparently it went further than the normal blowups you see between players and coaches. There's always some of that to a degree.

Now -- you could still be right, if Singletary decided to get rid of the wrong guy, then certainly that had to have been a factor in his dismissal.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Shadowbyte

Really? Have you ever seen the sideline blow-ups between Bill Parcells and Phil Simms? I don't see how those are any different. If he was winning, they wouldn't care if he yelled or not. And the reason they're not winning is because they traded the only QB who's been consistently winning for them.

Things have gotten softer. You're talking 20+ years ago when Gibbs would be fiery, at least in the locker room. With continuous sports coverage and additional media outlets it's a lot bigger of a ego hit to players now, whether that's soft or not.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Mike Singletary was a GREAT player.

GREAT player does not necessarily translate into great coach. In fact, the number of GREAT players who turned out to be GREAT coaches also is pretty small.

Mike Singletary was hired to be a head coach long before he had had the coaching experiences to prepare him for that job.

Maybe the next team that hires him as a head coach - - in 3-4 years? - - will get themselves a really good head coach. Time will tell...

[SmootSmack]

On a related note, Wade's going to the Texans

[skinsfaninok]

Yea and Weis is rumored to go to UF as Off Coord

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Yea and Weis is rumored to go to UF as Off Coord

Don't really know why Weis would go back to the college game as a coordinator -- seems like a lateral move.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

On a related note, Wade's going to the Texans

The Texans with a formidable defense huh? That could be scary. I guess that they'll keep Kubiak?

[SirClintonPortis]

Let's see if the Texans break any records on defense next season...you know, like the one we set this year....