Our 2010 First Round Draft Pick Should Be...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Plain and simple best qb available. Do it every year till we get a QB and build from there.

Why ever try to be good when you can fail admirably every year right?

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Plain and simple best qb available. Do it every year till we get a QB and build from there.

huh?

[T.O.Killa]

You cant build a franchise without a QB. We prove that every year.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

You cant build a franchise without a QB. We prove that every year.

i thought we proved you can't win without a solid Oline

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

i thought we proved you can't win without a solid Oline

Jason C sacked 20 times

Bret Farve sacked 19 times
Mat Cassel Sacked 24 times
Aaron Roger sacked 29 times
Ben Rothlisberger 20 times

What does this tell you, that if an oline sucks you still should be able to move the ball. You should still be able to put more than seventeen points max. We need a Quarterback. If we had a quarterback, we would see Devin Thomas, Fred Davis, Malcom Kelly, and Marko Mitchell look like players that belong in the NFL. We should cut Jason Campbell now and fill his spot with Brian Brohm. I have never seen a team(They Finally gave up after Hiring Al Saunders, then Jim Zorn, draft a myriad of receivers, to go along with Moss, Portis, and Randel El) or a group of fans that make more excuses for a quarterback that sucks. Plain and simple.
If we had Brett Farve or Jay Cutler or any of the better Qbs we would have a winning record.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Jason C sacked 20 times

Bret Farve sacked 19 times
Mat Cassel Sacked 24 times
Aaron Roger sacked 29 times
Ben Rothlisberger 20 times

What does this tell you, that if an oline sucks you still should be able to move the ball. You should still be able to put more than seventeen points max. We need a Quarterback. If we had a quarterback, we would see Devin Thomas, Fred Davis, Malcom Kelly, and Marko Mitchell look like players that belong in the NFL. We should cut Jason Campbell now and fill his spot with Brian Brohm. I have never seen a team(They Finally gave up after Hiring Al Saunders, then Jim Zorn, draft a myriad of receivers, to go along with Moss, Portis, and Randel El) or a group of fans that make more excuses for a quarterback that sucks. Plain and simple.
If we had Brett Farve or Jay Cutler or any of the better Qbs we would have a winning record.

Your faith in our offense to look like others is admirable, but you're really just overrating our non-talent.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Your faith in our offense to look like others is admirable, but you're really just overrating our non-talent.

No, I am not. I am pointing out that Jason Campbell is the heart of the problem. The front office has made mistakes, but at least they try. Everyone calls them idiots, but they have no QB. They tried and failed to get one. But for all their supposed stupidity, they have put together a defense that is as good as we have seen. There frivolous acquisition of Haynesworth has fixed our sack problem that has dogged us for years. Lets stop pretending that if we had an offensive line Campbell would all of the sudden be Joe Montana. He is a great guy, and I can see why the coaches love him, but he just does not have the talent.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Your faith in our offense to look like others is admirable, but you're really just overrating our non-talent.

Buddy, I know you have always loved JC. I tried to believe that he could do it. In fact, you at times made me give him the benefit of the doubt, but it is time to let go. Believe me, he will not be here next year. He is holding our franchise back. As wood any, bad QB

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Jason C sacked 20 times

Bret Farve sacked 19 times
Mat Cassel Sacked 24 times
Aaron Roger sacked 29 times
Ben Rothlisberger 20 times

What does this tell you, that if an oline sucks you still should be able to move the ball. You should still be able to put more than seventeen points max. We need a Quarterback. If we had a quarterback, we would see Devin Thomas, Fred Davis, Malcom Kelly, and Marko Mitchell look like players that belong in the NFL. We should cut Jason Campbell now and fill his spot with Brian Brohm. I have never seen a team(They Finally gave up after Hiring Al Saunders, then Jim Zorn, draft a myriad of receivers, to go along with Moss, Portis, and Randel El) or a group of fans that make more excuses for a quarterback that sucks. Plain and simple.
If we had Brett Farve or Jay Cutler or any of the better Qbs we would have a winning record.

I certainly wasn't excusing Campbell.
Our problems as fans is that our team has so many lightning rod problems; Campbell, OL, Snyder, Zorn, Cerrato, (hixon); that it can't be solved with one simple draft pick. We need do need a new qb, but especially now that we have lost our pro bowl LT, I think we need to look at OT with our pick.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I certainly wasn't excusing Campbell.
Our problems as fans is that our team has so many lightning rod problems; Campbell, OL, Snyder, Zorn, Cerrato, (hixon); that it can't be solved with one simple draft pick. We need do need a new QB, but especially now that we have lost our pro bowl LT, I think we need to look at OT with our pick.

I understand what you are saying, our differences are philosophical. I think you have nothing, untill you have a QB.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Jason C sacked 20 times

Bret Farve sacked 19 times
Mat Cassel Sacked 24 times
Aaron Roger sacked 29 times
Ben Rothlisberger 20 times

What does this tell you, that if an oline sucks you still should be able to move the ball. You should still be able to put more than seventeen points max. We need a Quarterback. If we had a quarterback, we would see Devin Thomas, Fred Davis, Malcom Kelly, and Marko Mitchell look like players that belong in the NFL. We should cut Jason Campbell now and fill his spot with Brian Brohm. I have never seen a team(They Finally gave up after Hiring Al Saunders, then Jim Zorn, draft a myriad of receivers, to go along with Moss, Portis, and Randel El) or a group of fans that make more excuses for a quarterback that sucks. Plain and simple.
If we had Brett Farve or Jay Cutler or any of the better Qbs we would have a winning record.

Marko Mitchell hasn't even been activated for a game yet, but I to believe that it's time for #17 to be gone.

[The Goat]

One thing I notice in this thread is the recurring (bad) assumption we can get decent offensive players past the 2nd, or maybe even 1st, round. Part of what makes Vinny such an utter and complete failure at his career is he cannot identify offensive talent. He's done alright w/ late round defensive picks like Horton, but that's totally insufficient to be in charge of player personnel...his continued presence in the organization alone makes the franchise a sad story today.

I mean I guess people could make the assumption Snyder dumps Vinny and turns over the FO to a legitimate football guy, a real smart one hopefully. The more I observe how lil D is reacting to the current situation, and the more vids/clips I watch of him, I just really doubt we see fundamental change. For one thing I still haven't heard any good reasons a smart, well-connected, high-character guy would want to come work for Snyder. Don't say money cuz that sort of defeats the purpose (that guy is doing it for the wrong reason and probably won't be truly successful). No I think Vinny just gets retitled after the season and the FO structure actually becomes more amorphous to the casual observer...the rest of us will still see Snyder and his toady behind every move.

[KLHJ2]

You have to protect the QB. It is hard to find a starting left tackle in any round other than the 1st. You can find a starting QB later in the draft. Most 1st round QB's don't pan out anyway.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by Angry

You have to protect the QB. It is hard to find a starting left tackle in any round other than the 1st. You can find a starting QB later in the draft. Most 1st round QB's don't pan out anyway.

You are right about left tackles, they normally come in the higher rounds. But you are wrong about QBs. Their success rate is about 50/50 in the first. Half of the starting QBs come from the first round. The other half come from the rest. We have drafted 3 in thirty years, I think. Schuler, Ramsey, and Campbell. Man, after saying that, I am depressed. But that is why I said, you keep drafting them till you get one. That what San Diego did. They thought Breese was a bust after three years and drafted another. It worked out for them and New Orleans.

[duetsch215]

the past couple years, OL has had many picks in the 1-2 rounds and then drop off but some QBs slip through the cracks into the later rounds because some play bad defenses and it is tough to accurately judge their skills. The Skins need of quality OL significantly dwarfs the need at QB right now.