Taylor to Return w/o Restructure or Paycut

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I thought that's why we paid big bucks and draft picks for JT.

True but the expectation was for both JT and Carter to have a good season in getting to the QB, and they didn't. Carter is also getting paid big bucks (which we just restructured). I think overall there was an issue with the line, although, I think it's a bit silly to pine so much on the woes of the defense, given that they were the better of the two units.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I haven't heard anything about him not being here in the offseason? Have you? Also, none of our players could get to the passer all season.

Do you honestly think that JT is going to be in Ashburn working out with the rest of the guys? He didn't even work out when the new staff came in at Miami and that's the main reason he got traded.

True none of the other guys got to the passer but none of them make 8 mil.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Do you honestly think that JT is going to be in Ashburn working out with the rest of the guys? He didn't even work out when the new staff came in at Miami and that's the main reason he got traded.

True none of the other guys got to the passer but none of them make 8 mil.

Of course he will. He never had a history of missing OTA's before last year. He was embroiled in a public spat with Parcells and the Dolphins organization and was involved with Dancing With the Stars.

Seriously, Taylor's commitment should be the least of our concerns. He's here for a year, he's got his money, he's out to prove his worth and ability. He has never been a money guy (like Haynesworth may be) or a 'me' guy just interested in himself. He's a pride guy and I think last year will motivate him even more to prove it was a fluke and he's not done.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

I have made my peace with Taylor coming back, but i'm not happy that the team seems to have no interest in restructuring his contract or extending it to lower the cap hit. After a horrible 2008 season, the knee-jerk reaction would be to cut him, but i think keeping him is a smart move by our team. We gave up alot for him, he suffered a life-threatening injury early in the season that was difficult to recover from, and we were playing him at a position he had never played in before... so its really prudent to give Taylor a "pass" for his sub-par performance in 2008 and hope he rebounds in 2009.

Taylor is going into the season knowing it could be his last ever if he choses to retire when his current contract is up; Or, hes going into the season playing for his NEXT contract - either way, he has all the incentive in the world to play his guts out.

Also, 2009 will likely be Carters last year with the team, so having Taylor around puts us in a position where we wont have to be looking for two new DEs in 2010... if Taylor continues to play DE for us. I personally think we'll be better off in 2009 starting Evans and Carter at DE with Taylor taking Washingtons spot at OLB. Then, on passing downs, Evans can move inside and Taylor can slide down to DE.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I have made my peace with Taylor coming back, but i'm not happy that the team seems to have no interest in restructuring his contract or extending it to lower the cap hit. After a horrible 2008 season, the knee-jerk reaction would be to cut him, but i think keeping him is a smart move by our team. We gave up alot for him, he suffered a life-threatening injury early in the season that was difficult to recover from, and we were playing him at a position he had never played in before... so its really prudent to give Taylor a "pass" for his sub-par performance in 2008 and hope he rebounds in 2009.

Taylor is going into the season knowing it could be his last ever if he choses to retire when his current contract is up; Or, hes going into the season playing for his NEXT contract - either way, he has all the incentive in the world to play his guts out.

Also, 2009 will likely be Carters last year with the team, so having Taylor around puts us in a position where we wont have to be looking for two new DEs in 2010... if Taylor continues to play DE for us. I personally think we'll be better off in 2009 starting Evans and Carter at DE with Taylor taking Washingtons spot at OLB. Then, on passing downs, Evans can move inside and Taylor can slide down to DE.

Very good point, I think knee-jerk reactions have gotten this team in trouble in the past (i.e. the trade for Duckett).

[over the mountain]

i dont mind it. he plays another year, gives him a chance to bounce back, him staying negates us having to fill another starter spot, but the big thing is his contract comes off the books after next year.

i would rather look to find his replacement next year (or in this years draft).

really i just like the idea of keeping him and his contract which ends next year vs. having to go and find his replacement which would require a multi-year deal when none of the FA out there are a good long term solution.

even if we draft orapko i wouldnt want to trust him to start week 1.

go skins!!

[BigHairedAristocrat]

publically going on record saying we are keeping him also gives us more options in disguising our intentions in free agency and the draft. plus we always have the ability to trade him. Some team that grearing up for a SB run in 2009 could have a DE go down in training camp and offer us something in a trade for Taylor next year. Its not that teams werent interested in Taylor last year... Parcells was just adamant about the compensation a trade would require and we were the only team desperate enough to give him a 2nd and 6th round pick... we could easily move Taylor for a 4th if we were so linclined.

[53Fan]

I thought the knee-jerk reaction was to sign him for 8.5 and give up 2 draft picks for him last year when Daniels went down.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I thought the knee-jerk reaction was to sign him for 8.5 and give up 2 draft picks for him last year when Daniels went down.

Well the old Redskins would have given him a big fat new contract after trading for him a la Brandon Lloyd. Besides, only the 2nd round pick hurts in that trade.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Well the old Redskins would have given him a big fat new contract after trading for him a la Brandon Lloyd. Besides, only the 2nd round pick hurts in that trade.

How do you figure? Kedrick Golston..Colt Brennan...Kareem Moore were 6th round picks and Horton was a 7th. These are not important? Plus he's taking up 8.5 in cap space for the second straight year it looks like. And the second pick? We could REALLY use that this year. I have nothing against JT. I hope we'll use him right this year so he can do what he does best but I haven't seen anything thus far to say this wasn't a bad deal. Everything right now is just based on conjecture, hoping he has a good year.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

How do you figure? Kedrick Golston..Colt Brennan...Kareem Moore were 6th round picks and Horton was a 7th. These are not important? Plus he's taking up 8.5 in cap space for the second straight year it looks like. And the second pick? We could REALLY use that this year. I have nothing against JT. I hope we'll use him right this year so he can do what he does best but I haven't seen anything thus far to say this wasn't a bad deal. Everything right now is just based on conjecture, hoping he has a good year.

Getting diamonds in the roughs in the lower round happens, but it doesn't happen all the time. Yes, we could use that 6th round this year, but having a 2nd rounder is better. You're right, everything now is based on conjecture, hoping that JT has a good year. The same thing applies I would say for these lower round picks, you hope they work out, you don't expect them to.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Getting diamonds in the roughs in the lower round happens, but it doesn't happen all the time. Yes, we could use that 6th round this year, but having a 2nd rounder is better. You're right, everything now is based on conjecture, hoping that JT has a good year. The same thing applies I would say for these lower round picks, you hope they work out, you don't expect them to.

True. Of course they don't take 8.5 million in cap space either. I guess that is my real problem with this. We could'nt have got him for 6mil? Were there other teams just waiting to throw 6 mil at him? He already said he didn't earn his money last year. Since he was overpaid last year could'nt we have offered him a little less this year for the good of the team? I hope he has a GREAT year. I hope we use him to the best of his abilities or this makes no sense whatsoever.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I thought the knee-jerk reaction was to sign him for 8.5 and give up 2 draft picks for him last year when Daniels went down.

General consensus was the trade was a good decision by the skins. The problem was Taylor suffered a life threatening injury, never fully recovered, and was misused by Blache. Taylor is a sure-fire firstballot hall of famer. He was 33 at the time and was coming of a great season. If Taylor had continued to be utilized correctly and performed at the same level he had been performing when in Miami, we would feel he was well worth the 2nd and 6th round pick. If he rebounds to his previous form and Blache uses him correctly, and he plays solid this year, it will still be worth the pick, especially if we can get another year or two out of him.

[53Fan]

[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;529123]General consensus was the trade was a good decision by the skins. The problem was Taylor suffered a life threatening injury, never fully recovered, and was misused by Blache. Taylor is a sure-fire firstballot hall of famer. He was 33 at the time and was coming of a great season. If Taylor had continued to be utilized correctly and performed at the same level he had been performing when in Miami, we would feel he was well worth the 2nd and 6th round pick. If he rebounds to his previous form and Blache uses him correctly, and he plays solid this year, it will still be worth the pick, especially if we can get another year or two out of him.[/QUOTE]

Yeah if all the "IFS" worked out it would be a great deal. IF it does then great. IF it don't, then , OH s**t.... That's my point. So far it's been all conjecture and no production. It is what it is. Do I think JT can still be productive? Yes. IF Blache uses him the correct way. Oops...there's that word again.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Yeah if all the "IFS" worked out it would be a great deal. IF it does then great. IF it don't, then , OH s**t.... That's my point. So far it's been all conjecture and no production. It is what it is. Do I think JT can still be productive? Yes. IF Blache uses him the correct way. Oops...there's that word again.

Its not like we were taking a huge gamble. It was a FREAK injury that could not have been predicted. Sure, there were risks involved in getting Taylor, but the risks were very slim. By all appearnces, he should have done well here. as to his being misused by Blache, hopefully Blache can come up with something better this year. Blache is not a good d-coordinator and hopefully he'll retire after this season so someone more aggressive and less loyal to aging under-performing veterance will replace him.