Potential GM/HC/Coaches Thread

[rocnrik]

If we hire a OC as Head coach I hope he also is OC for us ... makes no sense otherwise !! Same for DC .

[rocnrik]

I'm gonna play devils advocate..
scenario #1
We hire a OC or DC to be HC .. the offense struggles however the DC has the D rockin (or vice versa) with that scenario you essentially have your Head coach struggling because the O or D is not clicking .. to make a change requires The Head coach to be fired .
Scenario #2
You Hire a head coach and he hires a OC and DC ..the head coach in the style of Dan Campbell,Mike Tomlin,Mike Vrabel,Harbaugh.. etc if he is a good leader he has the OPTION to fire coordinators if they don't produce WITHOUT a complete re-boot !

I almost to the point of wanting a head coach who is a PROVEN LEADER who gets the team ready and let him bring in his Coordinators. The ravens are doing it that way , Chiefs and Lions both do it that way .. San Fran has Kyle as HC/OC

What do you guys think ??

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by rocnrik

I'm gonna play devils advocate..
scenario #1
We hire a OC or DC to be HC .. the offense struggles however the DC has the D rockin (or vice versa) with that scenario you essentially have your Head coach struggling because the O or D is not clicking .. to make a change requires The Head coach to be fired .
Scenario #2
You Hire a head coach and he hires a OC and DC ..the head coach in the style of Dan Campbell,Mike Tomlin,Mike Vrabel,Harbaugh.. etc if he is a good leader he has the OPTION to fire coordinators if they don't produce WITHOUT a complete re-boot !

I almost to the point of wanting a head coach who is a PROVEN LEADER who gets the team ready and let him bring in his Coordinators. The ravens are doing it that way , Chiefs and Lions both do it that way .. San Fran has Kyle as HC/OC

What do you guys think ??

As much as I like what Johnson is doing w/ the Lions, I'm a little baffled why they're not talking to Vrabel. You have to make that call and sit down w/ him. If you're talking to Quinn why aren't you talking to Vrabel?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

As much as I like what Johnson is doing w/ the Lions, I'm a little baffled why they're not talking to Vrabel. You have to make that call and sit down w/ him. If you're talking to Quinn why aren't you talking to Vrabel?

Word is because he's likely going to want some power in the front office/personnel.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

Word is because he's likely going to want some power in the front office/personnel.

Then he can get bent!

[EdmundDorf]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

As much as I like what Johnson is doing w/ the Lions, I'm a little baffled why they're not talking to Vrabel. You have to make that call and sit down w/ him. If you're talking to Quinn why aren't you talking to Vrabel?

Doesn't mean they haven't, maybe its what some say about him wanting player control over the GM, maybe he just sees this as a complete rebuild and he'd rather go to a team that is closer roster wise. Maybe they called and he said thanks but no thanks. I think it would be uncharacteristic judging by how they have gone about it so far, of this new group to not have at least considered him. Maybe they had already decided on Johnson before Vrabel became available.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

As much as I like what Johnson is doing w/ the Lions, I'm a little baffled why they're not talking to Vrabel. You have to make that call and sit down w/ him. If you're talking to Quinn why aren't you talking to Vrabel?

An interesting Titans note, they are restructuring their front office to better incorporate analytics.

Titans Muscling up on Football Analytics

The Tennessee Titans, which a year ago ranked among the least advanced NFL teams for using analytics, are reorganizing their leadership structure to better use performance metrics.

Given that Harris is doing the same, possibly Vrabel isn't a supporter of incorporating analytic data and so the Washington search committee simply didn't see his view syncing up with the direction they are going.

As of now, the open HC jobs are:
Washington
Seattle
Falcons

HC spots filled (Schefter or other confirmed sources):
Chargers - Harbaugh
Titans - Callahan (Cinci OC)
Carolina - Canales (Tampa OC)
Vegas - Pierce (interim tag removed)

Suddenly there are not as many coaching opportunities out there as it seemed on Black Monday.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

An interesting Titans note, they are restructuring their front office to better incorporate analytics.


Given that Harris is doing the same, possibly Vrabel isn't a supporter of incorporating analytic data and so the Washington search committee simply didn't see his view syncing up with the direction they are going.

As of now, the open HC jobs are:
Washington
Seattle
Falcons

HC spots filled (Schefter or other confirmed sources):
Chargers - Harbaugh
Titans - Callahan (Cinci OC)
Carolina - Canales (Tampa OC)
Vegas - Pierce (interim tag removed)

Suddenly there are not as many coaching opportunities out there as it seemed on Black Monday.

Everyone is obsessed w/ analytics. I wonder how many games analytics has won? Or lost? Seems kind of silly to me. Brandon Staley was a big analytics guy. As is David Tepper.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Everyone is obsessed w/ analytics. I wonder how many games analytics has won? Or lost? Seems kind of silly to me. Brandon Staley was a big analytics guy. As is David Tepper.

And the funny thing is the best ever coaches ever knew nothing about analytics.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Everyone is obsessed w/ analytics. I wonder how many games analytics has won? Or lost? Seems kind of silly to me. Brandon Staley was a big analytics guy. As is David Tepper.

It is definitely the modern magic pill. Of course, there are many facets to analytics and some do it better than others.

As for winning or losing, the rise in going for 4th and medium, along with more 2pt conversions are both clear results from using analytics and I think they have made the game more interesting.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by rocnrik

I'm gonna play devils advocate..
scenario #1
We hire a OC or DC to be HC .. the offense struggles however the DC has the D rockin (or vice versa) with that scenario you essentially have your Head coach struggling because the O or D is not clicking .. to make a change requires The Head coach to be fired .
Scenario #2
You Hire a head coach and he hires a OC and DC ..the head coach in the style of Dan Campbell,Mike Tomlin,Mike Vrabel,Harbaugh.. etc if he is a good leader he has the OPTION to fire coordinators if they don't produce WITHOUT a complete re-boot !

I almost to the point of wanting a head coach who is a PROVEN LEADER who gets the team ready and let him bring in his Coordinators. The ravens are doing it that way , Chiefs and Lions both do it that way .. San Fran has Kyle as HC/OC

What do you guys think ??

I think some Coaches can handle both Head Coach and Coordinator duties, and some cannot - and you don't find out which one you are until (if) you try it.

Fact is, there are examples of both scenarios failing and succeeding.

I just hope they get it right. That's where I'm at.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Either way it is not going to be a knee jerk reaction if there is a struggle year one the coordinator or the HC aren't going to be fired. Over the last 5 years 23 of 32 teams have had a head coaching change 35 hired with 16 fired so there is a chance we don't get it right the first time.

Peters was the top candidate by many sources for a GM hire for the entire league and we got him. If he doesn't get it right the first hire I am pretty confident he will learn from it and get a better guy the next go round. I am also pretty confident that we will see a vast improvement in the first hire over what we have seen the last decade.

[skinsfaninok]

I don't want Vrable, none of BB's guys have done anything. Plus his offenses are BORING AS HELL

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I don't want Vrable, none of BB's guys have done anything. Plus his offenses are BORING AS HELL

I think a lot of that was they never really had a top QB. But he still got one game away from the SB w/ Tannehill.

But if he wants say in personnel then I'd say we have to pass. I want a coach who is in charge of the team, not a coach who has say in who comes on the team.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think a lot of that was they never really had a top QB. But he still got one game away from the SB w/ Tannehill.

But if he wants say in personnel then I'd say we have to pass. I want a coach who is in charge of the team, not a coach who has say in who comes on the team.

Well coaches should at least be able to submit needs to the GM and then let the GM decide how and when to fill them.