Video of all of Ramsey's and Brunnell's passes against the Bears

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Ok I guess we've now moved on to overanalyzing Brunell's 70 yards passing.

Could it be the fact that the running game was grinding away so well that we didn't see the need to air things out?

Could it be the fact that Brunell was inserted to an offense who's gameplan was geared towards another QB?

Moss turned a nice catch and run into a 52 yard gain for Ramsey, the throw was on target but let's face it Moss did the majority of the work. Take that away and Ramsey was a much more pedestrian 5 of 10 for 53 yards.

I heard a Quote somewhere from Gibbs saying that the o we played against the bears will not be the same o we play against Dallas. I think Gibbs felt he could win in a low scoring game if we played smart football (no turnovers, fumbles etc..).A good example is not going for the TD when we were 4th and short. He did not want to open up the play book more than he had to giving Parcells less game film to watch. We made alot of changes on the O side of the ball this year but I saw very little of that in their opening game. I think Gibbs game planning was one game past the Bears who he did not look past but showed very little. Gibbs knows how big of a game this is for our team and how much of a boost it would be if we could pull out a win in Dallas. Dallas had a tougher game and we will have plenty of game film to watch.

[ladyfan06]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I heard a Quote somewhere from Gibbs saying that the o we played against the bears will not be the same o we play against Dallas. I think Gibbs felt he could win in a low scoring game if we played smart football (no turnovers, fumbles etc..).A good example is not going for the TD when we were 4th and short. He did not want to open up the play book more than he had to giving Parcells less game film to watch. We made alot of changes on the O side of the ball this year but I saw very little of that in their opening game. I think Gibbs game planning was one game past the Bears who he did not look past but showed very little. Gibbs knows how big of a game this is for our team and how much of a boost it would be if we could pull out a win in Dallas. Dallas had a tougher game and we will have plenty of game film to watch.

NOW THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE MAKINGS OF A TRUE GENIUS!!

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by ladyfan06

NOW THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE MAKINGS OF A TRUE GENIUS!!

There's a key on your keyboard that reads 'Caps Lock', please press it just once before your next post.

Thank you.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by ladyfan06

NOW THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE MAKINGS OF A TRUE GENIUS!!

Hallelujah! Someone actually understands Gibbs and his phenomenal strategy to beating those no good lousy tuna smelling Cowbitches. No turnover. No film footage. I can't wait.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

Hallelujah! Someone actually understands Gibbs and his phenomenal strategy to beating those no good lousy tuna smelling Cowbitches. No turnover. No film footage. I can't wait.

As if parcells doesn't know every move Gibbs will make, Parcells knows Gibbs better than Gibbs knows Gibbs.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Could it be the fact that the running game was grinding away so well that we didn't see the need to air things out?

Could it be the fact that Brunell was inserted to an offense who's gameplan was geared towards another QB?

While I'm sure Brunell with throw for more than 70 yards against Dallas, I disagree that he's a efficient "game manager". As I said before, if the Skins go down more than 14 points in a game, it's game over because Brunell does not have the tools to pass them back into the game.

And as good as Portis looked Sunday, it's going to get a lot harder for him to run when teams realize he's our only offense, and start stacking 8 in the box.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

EXACTLY!

I've been saying that at least once in every thread dealing with the situation. The truth is, both QBs played pretty well, Brunell was marginally better. But if you're talking to Gibbs, he'd say Brunell managed the game well and did what he had to do. He made the throws he was supposed to make and handed the ball of the rest of the game. Pretty much Brunell put us in a position to come out with the lead for that field goal. It wasn't Brunell that called for us NOT to go for it on 4th and 1.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Really you are underestimating Brunell. Did you WATCH last week's game? Seriously. He threw some intermediate passes and completed them when he needed to.

And about managing the game,I believe that he threw the ball away when he needed to AND showed some mobility by running out of the pocket and completing some passes.

[Longtimefan]

Today is Thursday, and I started reading all these Ramsey Vs. Brunell post's on Monday and I'm still not finished yet. Different threads, but all the same information, some like Sonny, some like Billy and we could just go on and on and on, but I don't think Gibbs will change his mind based on what we think. The very best we can do is support whoever is behind Center and "hope" we can win some football games.

What's most confusing about listening to all the various accounts relative to Ramsey Vs. Brunell is that even a blind man could have seen this coming, that's why it shouldn't come as such a great shock to anyone. Neither was this decision based on what happened in the course of the game against the Bears on Sunday. If you have listened to Gibbs closely he stated his decision was based on the overall situation, and much of that has to do with things we don't see therefore we can't comment on. I'm throughly convinced Gibbs decision to change QB'b was not all about Ramsey's performance in Sunday's game, hence we can forget about that Ramsey didn't have a fair chance senerio. Those of us famaliar with Gibbs know it's not just about how many passes you complete or for how many yards, it's about the ability to "lead" and manage a football game.

Let's rally around whoever our QB is because if we consider ourselves true fans, we rocognize the fact they're going to need our support. When George Allen was coach here I recall at one time him making the statement and I quote "When you have two QB's you don't any" It only serves to divide the team. I pray that our team is not as divided over this as many of our posters seem to be.

[VishsSkins]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Today is Thursday, and I started reading all these Ramsey Vs. Brunell post's on Monday and I'm still not finished yet. Different threads, but all the same information, some like Sonny, some like Billy and we could just go on and on and on, but I don't think Gibbs will change his mind based on what we think. The very best we can do is support whoever is behind Center and "hope" we can win some football games.

What's most confusing about listening to all the various accounts relative to Ramsey Vs. Brunell is that even a blind man could have seen this coming, that's why it shouldn't come as such a great shock to anyone. Neither was this decision based on what happened in the course of the game against the Bears on Sunday. If you have listened to Gibbs closely he stated his decision was based on the overall situation, and much of that has to do with things we don't see therefore we can't comment on. I'm throughly convinced Gibbs decision to change QB'b was not all about Ramsey's performance in Sunday's game, hence we can forget about that Ramsey didn't have a fair chance senerio. Those of us famaliar with Gibbs know it's not just about how many passes you complete or for how many yards, it's about the ability to "lead" and manage a football game.

Let's rally around whoever our QB is because if we consider ourselves true fans, we rocognize the fact they're going to need our support. When George Allen was coach here I recall at one time him making the statement and I quote "When you have two QB's you don't any" It only serves to divide the team. I pray that our team is not as divided over this as many of our posters seem to be.

I agree with you a hundred percent

[ladyfan06]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Today is Thursday, and I started reading all these Ramsey Vs. Brunell post's on Monday and I'm still not finished yet. Different threads, but all the same information, some like Sonny, some like Billy and we could just go on and on and on, but I don't think Gibbs will change his mind based on what we think. The very best we can do is support whoever is behind Center and "hope" we can win some football games.

What's most confusing about listening to all the various accounts relative to Ramsey Vs. Brunell is that even a blind man could have seen this coming, that's why it shouldn't come as such a great shock to anyone. Neither was this decision based on what happened in the course of the game against the Bears on Sunday. If you have listened to Gibbs closely he stated his decision was based on the overall situation, and much of that has to do with things we don't see therefore we can't comment on. I'm throughly convinced Gibbs decision to change QB'b was not all about Ramsey's performance in Sunday's game, hence we can forget about that Ramsey didn't have a fair chance senerio. Those of us famaliar with Gibbs know it's not just about how many passes you complete or for how many yards, it's about the ability to "lead" and manage a football game.

Let's rally around whoever our QB is because if we consider ourselves true fans, we rocognize the fact they're going to need our support. When George Allen was coach here I recall at one time him making the statement and I quote "When you have two QB's you don't any" It only serves to divide the team. I pray that our team is not as divided over this as many of our posters seem to be.

Very well said and 100% true!

[VishsSkins]

Neither ramsey or brunell looked superb in the bears game. Gibbs definitely did not base his decision to change QBs on that one game alone, so I really see no point in talking about who did better. From what I have seen in the preseason (and preseason is all we can judge them on since our offense this year is nothing like our offense last year) ramsey is capable of getting big chunks of yards by throwing the ball deep but i think everyone can agree that he is about as inconsistent as it gets. Remember the cincy game? Sure, he put up over 150yds in one half but how many point did we score with him in there? The point is that costly turnovers outweigh gaining a bunch of yardage and ramsey has always been prone to throwing ints and standing too long in the pocket, leading to a high number of sacks and even some fumbles.

Our offense is much different than it was last year and brunell has not gotten an opportunity to be a part of it. A lot of people say that the only reason brunell did good in the preseason was because he was going against 2nd and 3rd stringers. Well, wasnt he working with our 2nd and 3rd string offense too? If the argument has been made that he would have done worse had he played against 1st team defenses, isnt it logical to belive he would have done better with our first team offense? I dont know about you guys but to me, throughout the whole preseason, brunell just looked much more comfortable out there. He throws the ball with a lot more zip on it than last year and he also seems more mobile as well. What makes everyone think that he cant get the ball downfield while ramsey can? Our offensive gameplan was a lot more mellow when brunell was in there but we still moved the ball efficiently. I just think that its unfair to say that all brunell can do is "dink and dunk" while ramsey can sling it around as he pleases. That really doesnt seem like an accurate statement. I agree that ramsey was on a short leash but has he really shown that he can be a quality starter in the NFL? I am not saying that I like brunell better than ramsey but what I am saying is that we need to look at this objectively and see where gibbs is coming from. I do not think ramsey is a better QB than brunell. If gibbs feels more comfortable having brunell be his QB than brunell should be in there.

With our defense and running game, we dont need a manning, or mcnabb, or culpepper, or anyone close to that caliber. We need a QB who can manage the game, complete a high percentage of his passes, doesnt turn the ball over, and has the ability to open up the passing game when necessary. I see know reason why brunell doenst fit that description.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by VishsSkins

Neither ramsey or brunell looked superb in the bears game. Gibbs definitely did not base his decision to change QBs on that one game alone, so I really see no point in talking about who did better. From what I have seen in the preseason (and preseason is all we can judge them on since our offense this year is nothing like our offense last year) ramsey is capable of getting big chunks of yards by throwing the ball deep but i think everyone can agree that he is about as inconsistent as it gets. Remember the cincy game? Sure, he put up over 150yds in one half but how many point did we score with him in there? The point is that costly turnovers outweigh gaining a bunch of yardage and ramsey has always been prone to throwing ints and standing too long in the pocket, leading to a high number of sacks and even some fumbles.

Our offense is much different than it was last year and brunell has not gotten an opportunity to be a part of it. A lot of people say that the only reason brunell did good in the preseason was because he was going against 2nd and 3rd stringers. Well, wasnt he working with our 2nd and 3rd string offense too? If the argument has been made that he would have done worse had he played against 1st team defenses, isnt it logical to belive he would have done better with our first team offense? I dont know about you guys but to me, throughout the whole preseason, brunell just looked much more comfortable out there. He throws the ball with a lot more zip on it than last year and he also seems more mobile as well. What makes everyone think that he cant get the ball downfield while ramsey can? Our offensive gameplan was a lot more mellow when brunell was in there but we still moved the ball efficiently. I just think that its unfair to say that all brunell can do is "dink and dunk" while ramsey can sling it around as he pleases. That really doesnt seem like an accurate statement. I agree that ramsey was on a short leash but has he really shown that he can be a quality starter in the NFL? I am not saying that I like brunell better than ramsey but what I am saying is that we need to look at this objectively and see where gibbs is coming from. I do not think ramsey is a better QB than brunell. If gibbs feels more comfortable having brunell be his QB than brunell should be in there.

With our defense and running game, we dont need a manning, or mcnabb, or culpepper, or anyone close to that caliber. We need a QB who can manage the game, complete a high percentage of his passes, doesnt turn the ball over, and has the ability to open up the passing game when necessary. I see know reason why brunell doenst fit that description.

No reason????? Obviously you didn't own a TV last season!

[VishsSkins]

Originally Posted by offiss

No reason????? Obviously you didn't own a TV last season!

I already said that our offense last year was much different than it is this year. I dont think its fair to write off brunell just based on last year's performance because our offense as whole needed a ton of improvement.

He did show all those traits that I mentioned in the preseason, didnt he? Why dont you think it can carry over into the regular season?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by VishsSkins

I already said that our offense last year was much different than it is this year. I dont think its fair to write off brunell just based on last year's performance because our offense as whole needed a ton of improvement.

He did show all those traits that I mentioned in the preseason, didnt he? Why dont you think it can carry over into the regular season?

I think he can, hopefully... but last year he didn't.