Offseason starts now: A Redskins players thread

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

THis is one of the least talented rosters in the NFL.

That is definitely a horrendous overstatement. It has decent talent, it's not deep enough in spots and it has certainly been injury-prone. But every team would love to have Trent Williams, Brandon Scherff, Jonathan Allen, Ryan Kerrigan, Daron Payne, and others.

You can complain about the injuries, the front office, the culture, the coaching (especially on defense IMO) but I don't think you can say it's not a talented roster. We don't have a superstar, maybe that's where you're getting that from? No JJ Watt, no Aaron Donald, no Zeke Elliott, no Khalil Mack, etc. But we have talent.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

That is definitely a horrendous overstatement. It has decent talent, it's not deep enough in spots and it has certainly been injury-prone. But every team would love to have Trent Williams, Brandon Scherff, Jonathan Allen, Ryan Kerrigan, Daron Payne, and others.

You can complain about the injuries, the front office, the culture, the coaching (especially on defense IMO) but I don't think you can say it's not a talented roster. We don't have a superstar, maybe that's where you're getting that from? No JJ Watt, no Aaron Donald, no Zeke Elliott, no Khalil Mack, etc. But we have talent.

Maybe I was just mad lol sucks being a fan of this team right now my man

[BaltimoreSkins]

I like Brown he can stretch the field. Your idea of ball control and defense is important with below avg QB play. Look at Ravens.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I like Brown he can stretch the field. Your idea of ball control and defense is important with below avg QB play. Look at Ravens.

My blocking TE choice for as a free agent is actually a Raven:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/r...123-story.html

Nick Boyle...he has the ability to leak out and catch a couple balls...but then his destroys people in the run game all day. Let Sprinkle and Boyle play equal time and double TE sets.

[Chico23231]

Look at the combine cap number paying Reed and Vernon Davis for 2019.

Ok, now that your furious...go break something.

Finally catch your breath. That number is what would buy a top flight WR, but we spending it on garbage...2 terrible blocking TE...one whose hurt most the time and Vernon Davis who drops pivotal catchs and is one of the worst blocking TEs in the game.

What retarded FO does this shit?

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Look at the combine cap number paying Reed and Vernon Davis for 2019.

Ok, now that your furious...go break something.

Finally catch your breath. That number is what would buy a top flight WR, but we spending it on garbage...2 terrible blocking TE...one whose hurt most the time and Vernon Davis who drops pivotal catchs and is one of the worst blocking TEs in the game.

What retarded FO does this shit?

I have been done with Reed for a few seasons. I do not know why people continue to expect more out of him. He has had two decent seasons and that is all. You can get the same annual productivity for far less $.

[Burgold]

We got bigger fish to fry than Norman,such as who our QB is gonna be because Alex Smith is done,Colt McCoy ain't the answer so where are we,this is scary because this team used to have rep for great QB's-Baugh-Jurgenson-Kilmer-Theisman, but it's been a while so it's gotta be addressed!!

[Tennskinsfan]

I agree that given our QB debacle that we double down on the run game. I wouldn’t ditch Reed just yet. I don’t think that Davis will be coming back on his own next year anyways. Bring in a blocking TE to fill his spot. Resign AP to a 1 year deal again. (He deserves 2 but the cliff is looming no need to waste more money) As for QB. I would pick up the QB from Nc State should be able to pick up in the late rounds and then groom him to be backup to the Franchise QB we pick up next year. If a quality WR is available take him early.

For defense. We have a serious hole to fill with our Saftey position. I wouldn’t cut or trade Norman this year for that reason. Dunbar should be able to come back healthy after a full offseason so invest in a Vet inside linebacker. And find a edge rusher in the draft to replace PSmith.

Draft needs 2019 (no perticular order)
Safety
Interior O
Edge rusher
WR
CB
4th or later QB

With what should be 4 picks in the first 3 rounds and 9 total picks (Compensatory picks)

[Schneed10]

I don't know, I don't see Reed's cap hit as a terrible thing.

2019 cap hits for tight ends:

Jimmy Graham $12.6M
Gronk $12.0M
Zach Ertz $11.8M
Travis Kelce $9.9M
Jordan Reed $9.7M
Charles Clay $9.0M
Trey Burton $8.7M
Jermaine Gresham $8.3M
Kyle Rudolph $7.6M
Dwayne Allen $7.4M
Cameron Brate $7.0M
Delanie Walker $6.8M

He's been injured and that sucks but if you think performance has been a problem when on the field then you're not watching the same game as me. Could you use the cap space more effectively? I don't think it's that easy to do.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I don't know, I don't see Reed's cap hit as a terrible thing.

2019 cap hits for tight ends:

Jimmy Graham $12.6M
Gronk $12.0M
Zach Ertz $11.8M
Travis Kelce $9.9M
Jordan Reed $9.7M
Charles Clay $9.0M
Trey Burton $8.7M
Jermaine Gresham $8.3M
Kyle Rudolph $7.6M
Dwayne Allen $7.4M
Cameron Brate $7.0M
Delanie Walker $6.8M

He's been injured and that sucks but if you think performance has been a problem when on the field then you're not watching the same game as me. Could you use the cap space more effectively? I don't think it's that easy to do.

lol...well certainly the Redskins prove that..in fact its really hard.

I see Jordan as an oft in juried player who is either out or playing through injury. There were reports he needs another surgery this offseason when he will be 29 coming into next year.

If Alex Smith and Reed had made a meaningful connection in the passing game...I wouldn't be advocating to move on....I didn't really see it and while Reed has gotten better as a blocker, still its secondary to his overall game. Im more on the fence about outright cut...but im more for trading for a pick to a team which is more suited to his game....could be a win for both.

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I don't know, I don't see Reed's cap hit as a terrible thing.

2019 cap hits for tight ends:

Jimmy Graham $12.6M
Gronk $12.0M
Zach Ertz $11.8M
Travis Kelce $9.9M
Jordan Reed $9.7M
Charles Clay $9.0M
Trey Burton $8.7M
Jermaine Gresham $8.3M
Kyle Rudolph $7.6M
Dwayne Allen $7.4M
Cameron Brate $7.0M

Delanie Walker $6.8M

He's been injured and that sucks but if you think performance has been a problem when on the field then you're not watching the same game as me. Could you use the cap space more effectively? I don't think it's that easy to do.

Reed has averaged 6 starts per season. And in the last 3 years 3.3 TDs per season. He does not have elite production, so an elite level contract is a waste of money.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...R/ReedJo02.htm

[FrenchSkin]

List of Redskins 2019 Free Agents:

Ty Nsekhe
HHCD
Pernell McPhee
Shawn Lauvao
Preston Smith
AP
Mark Sanchez
Josh Johnson
Austin Howard
Tony Bergstrom
Luke Bowanko
Michael Floyd
Jonathan Cooper
Jamison Crowder
Marquis Flowers
Zac Kerin
Arie Kouandjio
Zach Vigil
Byron Marshall
Maurice Harris
Robert Kelley
ArDarius Stewart

Some of them you obviously don't bring back: HHCD, Lauvao, Sanchez, Howard, Kerin, Kelley etc...

Some of them you can easily bring back on the cheap, or at a good value/price ratio: JJ, Cooper, Vigil, Harris, McPhee, Nsekhe (how much can he ask?), Kouandjio, (Bergstrom?)

Some of them you bring back at the right price: Preston Smith

And then I think it's not a debate you need to bring AP and Crowder back.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

List of Redskins 2019 Free Agents:

Ty Nsekhe
HHCD
Pernell McPhee
Shawn Lauvao
Preston Smith
AP
Mark Sanchez
Josh Johnson
Austin Howard
Tony Bergstrom
Luke Bowanko
Michael Floyd
Jonathan Cooper
Jamison Crowder
Marquis Flowers
Zac Kerin
Arie Kouandjio
Zach Vigil
Byron Marshall
Maurice Harris
Robert Kelley
ArDarius Stewart

Some of them you obviously don't bring back: HHCD, Lauvao, Sanchez, Howard, Kerin, Kelley etc...

Some of them you can easily bring back on the cheap, or at a good value/price ratio: JJ, Cooper, Vigil, Harris, McPhee, Nsekhe (how much can he ask?), Kouandjio, (Bergstrom?)

Some of them you bring back at the right price: Preston Smith

And then I think it's not a debate you need to bring AP and Crowder back.

The only guys I'd bring back

[FrenchSkin]

Still hoping for some kind of news on the FO/coaching staff front, but in the meanwhile I'll try to have a bit of fun looking at this roster:

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/washington-redskins/

Cutting McGee post June 1st would save 3M, cutting VD would save nearly 4M. Other than that (and bottom of the roster cuts), I don't see any obvious cut.
I try to restructure Norman's deal and extend Brandon Scherff.


EDIT: OTC has a calculator tool, quite fun.
We currently have a 23M cap space for 2019, that's 25th in the league, but it's not cap hell.
Cut McGee, VD, Catalina (because he sucks), and Jessu Chesson (because why not?) and all of the sudden you have 31M available.
And that's with Brandon Scherff's 12.5M option year, so extend him (and keep in mind this FO has done a good job of structuring contracts in order to save cap in early years), restructure Norman's deal, make a couple other low key moves and you could be looking at around 40M of available cap space.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Still hoping for some kind of news on the FO/coaching staff front, but in the meanwhile I'll try to have a bit of fun looking at this roster:

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/washington-redskins/

Cutting McGee post June 1st would save 3M, cutting VD would save nearly 4M. Other than that (and bottom of the roster cuts), I don't see any obvious cut.
I try to restructure Norman's deal and extend Brandon Scherff.


EDIT: OTC has a calculator tool, quite fun.
We currently have a 23M cap space for 2019, that's 25th in the league, but it's not cap hell.
Cut McGee, VD, Catalina (because he sucks), and Jessu Chesson (because why not?) and all of the sudden you have 31M available.
And that's with Brandon Scherff's 12.5M option year, so extend him (and keep in mind this FO has done a good job of structuring contracts in order to save cap in early years), restructure Norman's deal, make a couple other low key moves and you could be looking at around 40M of available cap space.

Agree, even with Bruce’s latest albatross Alex Smith...if we make a couple rational moves we should have the cap space to bring in some guys. I agree with what you have said.

But with McGee hear me out...first I was against the move when it was made preferring to put that money towards calis Campbell and it’s proven to be a bad decision. BUT...if we bring in a d coordinator who goes base 4-3 then we would move back to scheme where McGee excelled with the Raiders. I think he would be more valuable and we could retain rotational depth. Going forward our strategy should be keep the trenches stacked...our front office negligence with interior Oline has sunk this team for several years.