Camp Battles- The journey to 53

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Redskins roster survey: Offense - The Insider - The Washington Post

I'm surprised so many people in the survey picked Sellers and Stallworth.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

I'm surprised so many people in the survey picked Sellers and Stallworth.

Well it's The Post so there are much more casual fans and name recognition will go a long ways.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

I'm surprised so many people in the survey picked Sellers and Stallworth.

I think some are confused about the status of Sellers because his role has changed somewhat, he's been working as TE/HB/FB and view it as a sign the end could be near for him. His versatility should keep him around.

Stallworth is probably favored because we've seen so little production from the WR draft class.

[saden1]

Banks isn't going anywhere....believe that.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by saden1

Banks isn't going anywhere....believe that.

His only contribution to the team is as a punt returner and he's injured half the time. He's so small and fragile his NFL career will be no more than 4 years, if that. He's not worth the roster spot, not at the expense of another player who will be able to contribute on special teams and offense or defense for years to come.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

His only contribution to the team is as a punt returner and he's injured half the time. He's so small and fragile his NFL career will be no more than 4 years, if that. He's not worth the roster spot, not at the expense of another player who will be able to contribute on special teams and offense or defense for years to come.

Even if you're arguing that Niles Paul should have a bigger impact than Banks, I think any player (exception to Banks) who can't crack our top five receivers isn't in the long term plans anyway. So as a sixth receiver punt returning specialist who has little long term upside, Banks is exactly the kind of player you keep in that spot over a ninth lineman anyway.

It's not Niles Paul vs. Brandon Banks, it's the Erik Cook/Mo Hurt loser vs. Banks. Because they didn't keep nine linemen last year (they almost did, but they were a lot deeper last year), you can probably figure out which way they are going there.

The problem with the way the roster as constructed is that theres too many veterans at receiver to keep anyone who should be kept. Stallworth could always get Armstrong's spot as the 3rd WR, but assuming that he doesn't have all that realistic of a shot to take that, he was essentially forced off the roster at the point when we signed Moss and traded for Gaffney. Hankerson is a lock. And Austin is probably the 5th guy. If Paul is more in the long term plans than Austin, I have no doubt he'll make the roster over him, and TA will be a surprise cut. But because I'm not convinced there is a long term plan for Paul, I can't see him making the roster w/o an injury to Austin or Armstrong.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Even if you're arguing that Niles Paul should have a bigger impact than Banks, I think any player (exception to Banks) who can't crack our top five receivers isn't in the long term plans anyway. So as a sixth receiver punt returning specialist who has little long term upside, Banks is exactly the kind of player you keep in that spot over a ninth lineman anyway.

It's not Niles Paul vs. Brandon Banks, it's the Erik Cook/Mo Hurt loser vs. Banks. Because they didn't keep nine linemen last year (they almost did, but they were a lot deeper last year), you can probably figure out which way they are going there.

The problem with the way the roster as constructed is that theres too many veterans at receiver to keep anyone who should be kept. Stallworth could always get Armstrong's spot as the 3rd WR, but assuming that he doesn't have all that realistic of a shot to take that, he was essentially forced off the roster at the point when we signed Moss and traded for Gaffney. Hankerson is a lock. And Austin is probably the 5th guy. If Paul is more in the long term plans than Austin, I have no doubt he'll make the roster over him, and TA will be a surprise cut. But because I'm not convinced there is a long term plan for Paul, I can't see him making the roster w/o an injury to Austin or Armstrong.

austin deserves to make it, paul can ride the PS, so i really think he'll end up there. if hankerson wasn't a 2nd rounder he might end up there too :P btu i agree, they'll let him learn for a year. we'll keep 6 WRs, but banks or donte or... are going to get cut unless we keep 7.

[Jontrem]

Originally Posted by That Guy

austin deserves to make it, paul can ride the PS, so i really think he'll end up there. if hankerson wasn't a 2nd rounder he might end up there too :P btu i agree, they'll let him learn for a year. we'll keep 6 WRs, but banks or donte or... are going to get cut unless we keep 7.

Hankerson was a 3rd rounder and even if he was later I think he would still make this years roster just because of his upside.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by That Guy

austin deserves to make it, paul can ride the PS, so i really think he'll end up there. if hankerson wasn't a 2nd rounder he might end up there too :P btu i agree, they'll let him learn for a year. we'll keep 6 WRs, but banks or donte or... are going to get cut unless we keep 7.

I don't really think Paul is a better PS candidate than Aldrick Robinson. I could see Robinson as Terrence Austin at this time next year. I think Paul is more a "what you see is what you get" guy. He absolutely should be on someones 53 man roster, and I believe he will be. I don't think he gets through waivers.

The reason I don't think he makes our 53 man is because we built though veterans at the top end. Santana Moss is a really, really expensive 32 year old slot possession guy, playing in the same lineup as a 30 year old split end possession guy...I just didn't get it. I still don't get it. It made no sense to me at the time and probably won't ever.

It's possible both of those guys will be having a bigger impact in this league than Niles Paul will in 2013. I just don't think it's likely.

[Kindoy]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

His only contribution to the team is as a punt returner and he's injured half the time. He's so small and fragile his NFL career will be no more than 4 years, if that. He's not worth the roster spot, not at the expense of another player who will be able to contribute on special teams and offense or defense for years to come.

you coulda said the same thing to the Bears about Hester when they made their super bowl run. Hester was still a corner then... think he contributed anything besides returning then?

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Kindoy

you coulda said the same thing to the Bears about Hester when they made their super bowl run. Hester was still a corner then... think he contributed anything besides returning then?

you just compare a hall of fame returner to banks?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

I don't think banks and Paul are battling for 6th wr; they're battling for 5th. I don't see stallworth in our plans.

[Bucket]

If Austin doesn't make the team ill be depressed.. he showed sparks last year when he got a chance, and has shown sparks in the preseason when given the chance.

[Swarley]

Originally Posted by Bucket

If Austin doesn't make the team ill be depressed.. he showed sparks last year when he got a chance, and has shown sparks in the preseason when given the chance.

I'm with you, he definitely deserves a real shot on this team.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

This is a thread to discuss our many camp batlles.


Beck Vs. Grossman

Running backs

WR's

Let's talk camp battles and how things are progressing.

I think the Skins should keep both Royster and Helu. I would go with

Hightower
Helu
Royster
Torian - get's hurt too often.

Young
Williams

I would drop Sellars.

Wideouts

Terrance Austin over Banks

QB - Doesn't matter to me. Which ever of the two that can win games. Tired of have QB problems every single year.

WR - Moss, Armstrong, Gaffney, Austin, Paul, Hankerson.
RB - Hightower, Helu, Torain. (you can't let Torain go, he ran so good last year and he'll be ready for the season opener. His injury was not his hamstring, or knee and I believe if it was the regular season, he may have found a way to play)
FB - Young
TE - Sellers. I think you have to find a spot for Sellers. He can play multiple positions, FB, RB(goalline if needed) TE, and he is a beast at special teams (which he takes tremendous pride in)

OL - Capers, Hicks i think should stay. Hicks has the familiarity and Capers having experience in that style of offense from his days at WVU, I think can play in this style of offense. Sinclair could make a case too.

I am also hoping Riley gets the starting nod beside fletcher. He has to play to learn, we can't keep him on the bench. Too much natural instinctive talent to waste.