Ravens at Redskins Post Game Thread (RG3 MRI Result-Sprained Knee)

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

That can be said for a fair amount of teams actually. Plus, we are a couple of bounces or a controlling of a temper or two from being 9-4. The replacement refs make a good call and we are tied with Seattle. That entire argument can go both ways and doesnt prove much of anything. You are what your record says you are.

You are clearly the only other person on here rite now who is not half in the bag. Lmao.

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I consider being ranked in the top 1-3 of almost every offensive category and 7 in points scored HUMMING along - yes. Absolutely. Also you do realize that the defense is responsible for some flags too rite? After 20 year of almost pure unadulterated trash on offense we are suddenly one of the best youngest and brightest offenses in the league.

[JoeRedskin]

Well ... 3rd down conversions are about sustaining drives and eating clock.

Don't get me wrong... I love the quick strike nature of our offense. At the same time a long drive or three keeps our D off the field and that's got to be a good thing.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Well ... 3rd down conversions are about sustaining drives and eating clock.

Don't get me wrong... I love the quick strike nature of our offense. At the same time a long drive or three keeps our D off the field and that's got to be a good thing.

This.

...and really, is there any need to bash the defense at this point? We know they are shitty, and we knew that the moment we lost 4 starters on the squad. Nothing else to say about the defense or Haslett except they're doing the best they can with what they have to work with. That ship will get corrected in the off-season.


Going back to the penalties, the more I think about it the more I think this is the bigger issue at hand with our inconsistency. I wonder what the correlation between teams with the.....**** it, I'll DO IT LIVE MYSELF.


Teams 3rd down conversion from best to worst.

2012 NFL Team Downs Stats - National Football League - ESPN


Teams from most to least panalties.

2012 NFL Team Downs Stats - National Football League - ESPN


Wanted to see if there was a correlation between a teams penalties and their third down conversions. Probably inconclusive data here as I imagine that it depends on when those penalties were called and what side of the ball they were called on.

[calia]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

This.

...and really, is there any need to bash the defense at this point? We know they are shitty, and we knew that the moment we lost 4 starters on the squad. Nothing else to say about the defense or Haslett except they're doing the best they can with what they have to work with. That ship will get corrected in the off-season.


Going back to the penalties, the more I think about it the more I think this is the bigger issue at hand with our inconsistency. I wonder what the correlation between teams with the.....**** it, I'll DO IT LIVE MYSELF.


Teams 3rd down conversion from best to worst.

2012 NFL Team Downs Stats - National Football League - ESPN


Teams from most to least panalties.

2012 NFL Team Downs Stats - National Football League - ESPN


Wanted to see if there was a correlation between a teams penalties and their third down conversions. Probably inconclusive data here as I imagine that it depends on when those penalties were called and what side of the ball they were called on.

The penalties really stands out to me. Putting aside Atlanta (because only 47 penalities so far in the season is pretty amazing, and not a standard most teams could hope to meet), if you consider that there are a bunch of teams with about 70 penalties -- we're 35 penalties above that. It is hard to imagine that it close games (oh, I don,t know, like perhaps the Rams game) that a few penalties here or there might not make the difference between a win and a loss -- and if we had just one more win right now, we'd all feel a lot better about post-season possibilities. One thing that does seem clear: we need to play with more discipline going forward if we're going to keep winning. And that should be a priority for next season.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

This.

...and really, is there any need to bash the defense at this point? We know they are shitty, and we knew that the moment we lost 4 starters on the squad. Nothing else to say about the defense or Haslett except they're doing the best they can with what they have to work with. That ship will get corrected in the off-season.


Going back to the penalties, the more I think about it the more I think this is the bigger issue at hand with our inconsistency. I wonder what the correlation between teams with the.....**** it, I'll DO IT LIVE MYSELF.


Teams 3rd down conversion from best to worst.

2012 NFL Team Downs Stats - National Football League - ESPN


Teams from most to least panalties.

2012 NFL Team Downs Stats - National Football League - ESPN


Wanted to see if there was a correlation between a teams penalties and their third down conversions. Probably inconclusive data here as I imagine that it depends on when those penalties were called and what side of the ball they were called on.

I think the penalties are a big problem and directly add to our third down % being low. We do a whole lot better at third and short. A lot of our drives seem to end when first down is either a penalty or a play gets blown up for a loss. Kyle has cut way back on those odd slow developing plays or the pure speed play to the short side of the field on third and short, although he still tries to be cute sometimes.

RG3 still doesnt read defenses like other veteran QB's do, so third and long, when teams can play strictly pass, is a big struggle for this him. We need to avoid that at all costs.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

I think the penalties are a big problem and directly add to our third down % being low. We do a whole lot better at third and short. A lot of our drives seem to end when first down is either a penalty or a play gets blown up for a loss. Kyle has cut way back on those odd slow developing plays or the pure speed play to the short side of the field on third and short, although he still tries to be cute sometimes.

RG3 still doesnt read defenses like other veteran QB's do, so third and long, when teams can play strictly pass, is a big struggle for this him. We need to avoid that at all costs.

Good post. Our lack of success on 3rd down has been a "team effort." Penalties, drops and some errant throws are bad decisions by RG. 3rd quarter against the Ravens we had a 3rd and long with about 7:30 to play and RG through a perfect ball to Garcon (perfect because it was right between the defenders and into Garcon's hands/lap) but he bobbled and dropped it. The Ravens scored on their next possession to go up 28-20.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Well ... 3rd down conversions are about sustaining drives and eating clock.

Don't get me wrong... I love the quick strike nature of our offense. At the same time a long drive or three keeps our D off the field and that's got to be a good thing.

We sure as hell ate the clock last week when NY didn't get the ball back.

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Well ... 3rd down conversions are about sustaining drives and eating clock.

Don't get me wrong... I love the quick strike nature of our offense. At the same time a long drive or three keeps our D off the field and that's got to be a good thing.

Well... kind of. If a team was really good maybe they consistently convert on first or second down and never get to third down. They still sustain drives this way. To see if they were really sustaining drives like this, and not just a quick strike offense, you would need to compare the number of first downs to other teams. If you look at this stat for the Redskins, we are tied for 8th best in the league.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

Well... kind of. If a team was really good maybe they consistently convert on first or second down and never get to third down. They still sustain drives this way. To see if they were really sustaining drives like this, and not just a quick strike offense, you would need to compare the number of first downs to other teams. If you look at this stat for the Redskins, we are tied for 8th best in the league.

Interesting. Good point.

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Sometimes I don't even know why I bother. They take something you say, twist it into something it's not and completely miss the point.

So you did not say our offense is not humming along?
Just like this morning you didnt say that we were all giving up except for you.
Just like you didnt say you cant see the sun set on the east coast?
I suppose you didnt say we are lucky to be 7-6 either?
Im seeing a pattern here.
Nobody is twisting anything. I asked why all this negativity about our offense when we are in the midst of a four game win streak against big time opponents and our offense is one of the top in the league? Have third and longs been an issue? Sure. Is it losing games for us and do you need to harp on it all day? No.
Edit: it is your rite to do so in an open forum but you should know its going to draw rebuttle rite?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

So you did not say our offense is not humming along?

No, I just questioned your idea of "humming along". I just don't think it's efficient as it could be. I'm talking about this because there is nothing left to say about the defense. It's shitty. It's going to be shitty until the beginning of next season. Only thing left to discuss is offense and special teams.

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...tml#post974024

Originally Posted by punch it in

Just like this morning you didnt say that we were all giving up except for you.

No, I didn't. I'm not even going to go down that road again with you guys.

Originally Posted by punch it in

Just like you didnt say you cant see the sun set on the east coast?

No I didn't.

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...tml#post968385

Is exactly what was said.

Originally Posted by punch it in

I suppose you didnt say we are lucky to be 7-6 either?

I said luck has played a huge part. It has, but it also plays a part in everybody's record. Some of them get bad luck, others get good luck. We've been fortunate. I also said skill, talent and coaching were a reason we are in the position we are in.

Originally Posted by punch it in

Im seeing a pattern here.

The pattern is your uncanny ability to take something written and twist it into something that's not.

Originally Posted by punch it in

Nobody is twisting anything.

I'm not the only once noticing it.

[punch it in]

Two weeks ago i thought a wildcard was out of the question. Thank you Chi-town.

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Who gives a damn about stats? Would you rather have a team be 50% on 3rd down but average 17 points? The bottom line is the offense is scoring enough points to win games. 31 points yesterday should win most games!!! I think the issue with 3rd down is when teams know when we have to pass then that's the weakness. It's a combination of the line, RG3 feeling comfortable letting plays develop/not wanting to take off running, and the wr's hanging on the the ball. We have to remember that we have a 22 year old rookie playing QB. As time goes on he will develop into a better passer. His footwork in the pocket is a little off but that will improve. He's a gym rat. But again, look at this offense from last year to this year. It's night and day.But I agee, Kyle need to ditch the pitch!

I wish i could be this elegant with my words. This is exactly what i am having such a difficult time saying so thank you Skinsfan69.

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NC if it makes you feel better Cleveland is worse than we are.
There really isnt a huge difference from 15 to us. Also look at alot of the teams that are ahead of us. They stink. So would i like to see improvement - of course but its like Kai. As long as he keeps nailing fieldgoals the short kickoffs dont bother me. As long as were putting up 30 a game neither does our conversion rate on third down.
Edit : if you do the math one stellar game of say 8 for 12 on third down - one game - will put us rite up in the middle of the pack somewhere.