The Too Soon 2021 NFL Draft Thread

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

https://www.nfl.com/news/charley-cas...es-to-steelers

I like the idea of Fields and Jones sliding down to/past #19 (though I'm not sure anyone rates Lance as better than Fields...), but if that were to happen would we seriously overlook 2 potential franchise QB's in favour of a LB? Can't see that happening.

I don’t know. I’ve seen some stuff out there that says that Fields have difficulty reading defenses and has a high number of plays that he’s firing to his 1st read instead of being able to work through his progressions. I see Lance as a Josh Allen 2.0. He may be raw but has a HUGE talent and athleticism ceiling. Allen surged in year two. Lance may follow the same trajectory. I personally would rather have Lance over Fields. But I doubt we get either. We would be more like to get Mac Jones, and although I think he will be a solid QB, his lack of mobility will not translate well to our current offensive scheme.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

I don’t know. I’ve seen some stuff out there that says that Fields have difficulty reading defenses and has a high number of plays that he’s firing to his 1st read instead of being able to work through his progressions. I see Lance as a Josh Allen 2.0. He may be raw but has a HUGE talent and athleticism ceiling. Allen surged in year two. Lance may follow the same trajectory. I personally would rather have Lance over Fields. But I doubt we get either. We would be more like to get Mac Jones, and although I think he will be a solid QB, his lack of mobility will not translate well to our current offensive scheme.

Then adapt the scheme. That is what great coaches do, get the most out of players by maximizing utilization of their strengths.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Scalper

Then adapt the scheme. That is what great coaches do, get the most out of players by maximizing utilization of their strengths.

I agree but I think you and I both know that more coaches than not in the NFL run a “system” and work to make the player fit their scheme instead of build something around the player that maximizes their skill set. Too many big egos in the NFL.

[MTK]

5 years ago in 2015 Smith ran for almost 500 yards with KC. Not mobile?

[Ohioskins]

The crap against Fields is just that, crap. He played in a system that was designed to get the first read open and make sure that open receiver was hit with the pass. It is not that he can't "read" secondary or third receivers. It is that OSU's system is designed to maximize the potential to hit the first read. But Fields is very, very intelligent, extremely self critical and willing to sacrifice himself for the best for the team. He is a strong leader and very mature. He is completely unlike Haskins. Fields will make the adjustment to the NFL. He will be willing to watch hours and hours of film. But there is not chance that he will be available at 19. I think it is highly likely he will go to Atlanta at No. 4.

[MissouriSkin]

Originally Posted by Ohioskins

The crap against Fields is just that, crap. He played in a system that was designed to get the first read open and make sure that open receiver was hit with the pass. It is not that he can't "read" secondary or third receivers. It is that OSU's system is designed to maximize the potential to hit the first read. But Fields is very, very intelligent, extremely self critical and willing to sacrifice himself for the best for the team. He is a strong leader and very mature. He is completely unlike Haskins. Fields will make the adjustment to the NFL. He will be willing to watch hours and hours of film. But there is not chance that he will be available at 19. I think it is highly likely he will go to Atlanta at No. 4.

I’ve always felt that’s what makes college QBs so hard to judge. Figuring out what they CAN do vs what they were asked to do in college. I think Fields and Jones are in the same boat there.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by Ohioskins

The crap against Fields is just that, crap. He played in a system that was designed to get the first read open and make sure that open receiver was hit with the pass. It is not that he can't "read" secondary or third receivers. It is that OSU's system is designed to maximize the potential to hit the first read. But Fields is very, very intelligent, extremely self critical and willing to sacrifice himself for the best for the team. He is a strong leader and very mature. He is completely unlike Haskins. Fields will make the adjustment to the NFL. He will be willing to watch hours and hours of film. But there is not chance that he will be available at 19. I think it is highly likely he will go to Atlanta at No. 4.

Maybe, maybe not. Until a guy has read Ds successfully in a pro system, it is a projection. He played in a system that was not a true pro system which required him to read Ds and go through progressions, in other words. He played in a system that is nothing like the pros. I'm not hating on Fields, but you don't know he can read pro Ds because his college system never asked him to. He made easy passes to wide open receivers who were usually MUCH more talented than their defenders. That doesn't mean he sucks, but it means he will be in an environment in the pros COMPLETELY different than that in college. You can't ever assume someone will easily succeed in that transition. Some guys make the transition, some bust, even the total experts aren't sure why. Sure, not being a lazy turd like Haskins helps, but some guys watch all the film in the world and still never make the transition. It is HARD, which is why franchise QBs are rare. What is certain is that you GREATLY decrease your chance of having a QB bust by drafting one who already played in a pro-style system.

[Ohioskins]

I agree Scalper. Smith is a great human being. but he was at his best not much more than a slightly above average QB.

[MTK]

My first crack at a mock draft for 2021, basically just went bpa

19: R1 P19 QB Justin Fields - Ohio State
51: R2 P19 TE Hunter Long - Boston College
74: R3 P10 G Jackson Carman - Clemson
82: R3 P18 LB Jabril Cox - LSU
124: R4 P19 RB Jaret Patterson - Buffalo
164: R5 P19 CB Shawn Davis - Florida
243: R7 P17 WR Jhamon Ausbon - Texas A&M
245: R7 P19 LB Justin Hilliard - Ohio State

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by MTK

My first crack at a mock draft for 2021, basically just went bpa

19: R1 P19 QB Justin Fields - Ohio State
51: R2 P19 TE Hunter Long - Boston College
74: R3 P10 G Jackson Carman - Clemson
82: R3 P18 LB Jabril Cox - LSU
124: R4 P19 RB Jaret Patterson - Buffalo
164: R5 P19 CB Shawn Davis - Florida
243: R7 P17 WR Jhamon Ausbon - Texas A&M
245: R7 P19 LB Justin Hilliard - Ohio State

Hmmm looks like you found Scherff's replacement

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by MTK

My first crack at a mock draft for 2021, basically just went bpa

19: R1 P19 QB Justin Fields - Ohio State
51: R2 P19 TE Hunter Long - Boston College
74: R3 P10 G Jackson Carman - Clemson
82: R3 P18 LB Jabril Cox - LSU
124: R4 P19 RB Jaret Patterson - Buffalo
164: R5 P19 CB Shawn Davis - Florida
243: R7 P17 WR Jhamon Ausbon - Texas A&M
245: R7 P19 LB Justin Hilliard - Ohio State

Sign me up for Hunter Long. Not familiar with picks 124 thru 245. Some new guys to look up. The best thing about mocks. #knowledgeispower

[MTK]

Courtesy of the PFN Mock Draft Simulator

19. Rashod Bateman WR Minnesota
51. Asante Samuel Jr. CB Florida State
74. Brevin Jordan TE Miami (FL)
82. Walker Little OT Stanford
124. Kyle Trask QB Florida
164. Larry Rountree III RB Missouri
243. K.J. Britt LB Auburn
245. Tre Walker WR San Jose State

[Chief X_Phackter]

I did my own with the PFN simulator, accepting trade offer for #19:

32. Kadarius Toney WR Florida
51. Richie Grant S UCF
67. Dylan Moses LB Alabama
74. Josh Myers OC Ohio State
82. Hunter Long TE Boston College
124. Jamie Newman QB Georgia
148. Paulson Adebo CB Stanford
164. Jaelon Darden WR North Texas
243. Brenden Jaimes OT Nebraska
245. Tommy Kraemer OG Notre Dame

[Brummie Brave]

First ever attempt on the PFN simulator, I'd be happy with this...

19. Mac Jones QB Alabama

51. Alex Leatherwood OT Alabama

74. Chaz Surratt LB North Carolina

82. Hunter Long TE Boston

124. Keith Taylor CB Washington

164. Damonte Coxie WR Memphis

243. Jamar Johnson S Indiana

245. Tommy Kraemer OG Notre Dame

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Brummie Brave

First ever attempt on the PFN simulator, I'd be happy with this...

19. Mac Jones QB Alabama

51. Alex Leatherwood OT Alabama

74. Chaz Surratt LB North Carolina

82. Hunter Long TE Boston

124. Keith Taylor CB Washington

164. Damonte Coxie WR Memphis

243. Jamar Johnson S Indiana

245. Tommy Kraemer OG Notre Dame

Me too. Good job!