The Redskins want to replace Jon Jansen for good

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

Didn't Thomas and Kelly come into camp out of shape?

Yeah. I think the problem was nobody took them under wing and instilled professionalism... just one of the reason's i'm anti-Hixon. F sakes the dude's got a group of professional vets who make sure they are in tip top shape and yet he can't find a way to tend to his whole flock of two f'ing rookies... don't get me started.

... i think the hope is that w/ A. Smith Buges will put the fear of God in him and Samuels will be his mentor... sort of good cop/bad cop strategy?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Yeah. I think the problem was nobody took them under wing and instilled professionalism... just one of the reason's i'm anti-Hixon. F sakes the dude's got a group of professional vets who make sure they are in tip top shape and yet he can't find a way to tend to his whole flock of two f'ing rookies... don't get me started.

... i think the hope is that w/ A. Smith Buges will put the fear of God in him and Samuels will be his mentor... sort of good cop/bad cop strategy?

If it were that easy, the line would not have been so bad last year. NFLers have to be considerably self-motivated and there are a thousand examples where good coaches do not change a head case.

[Nflnick11]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Andre Smith was a Combine flop because, in his words, he was "not in shape."

As a prospective NFL player, it is his job to be in shape! Would you go to a doctor who said he couldn't be bothered to keep up with medical advances? Would you go to a lawyer who said he didn't care about bar certification? Geez, Andre Smith would have been better off showing up at the Combine in a t-shirt which said "BUST" in block letters.

His talent doesn't matter - JUST SAY NO to Andre Smith.

Ok so he made a mistake about getting in shape at the combine, but A) at least his stocks falling, because he's not ready to workout, than him killing someone or beating someone up in a club, B) the guy once he gets some training camp in him will perform believe me, he only allowed one sack in college, and had he shown up at the combine he's a definite top ten pick who we all wished we had, just watch his highlight reel in college

[wilsowilso]

No team in the NFL would start Jon Jansen on opening day in 2009. This is some in depth knowledge JLC! Keep it up!

[tootergray34]

replacing jansen with runyan makes no sense, they are both out of their prime as OL and have a 3 as the first digit in their age! If anything we'd cut him and eat up his cap so we can sign either Oher or Smith from Alabama. Either way...I still think ole Vinny will do something dumb on draft day...but we can always hope for the best.

[MTK]

If there's a starting quality RT sitting there at #13 and we pass... wow there's gonna be a lot of head scratching going on.

[tootergray34]

I'm not completely sold on Smith, I'm wondering what all the hype about this kid is. He's proved to the world that he is lazy, I'd much rather have Oher here b/c I think he will end up having a better career. And better than him would be Eugene Monroe...but him slipping to us would be a miracle.

[53Fan]

Well it says in the article that some in the organization feel Heyer can be an above average RT. If the top o-linemen are gone at that point and there is an outstanding LB still on the board, it would'nt surprise me if we took him. Guys like Loadbolt (sp?) could conceivably still be there in the 3rd round or we could possibly work a deal to move up to the second. It really depends on how the draft falls I guess.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Well it says in the article that some in the organization feel Heyer can be an above average RT. If the top o-linemen are gone at that point and there is an outstanding LB still on the board, it would'nt surprise me if we took him. Guys like Loadbolt (sp?) could conceivably still be there in the 3rd round or we could possibly work a deal to move up to the second. It really depends on how the draft falls I guess.

I know you want to give Heyer a chance but to me he's average at best, so unless he has a monster offseason I don't see him improving to much. Would love it though if was able to. And as far as drafting Loadholt in the 3rd, it's definately a conceiveable option, but look how long it took to develop Dockery. Heck we seem to be going though the same thing Rhinehart right now. Any one of the big 4 could easily make an impact next year and onward.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I know you want to give Heyer a chance but to me he's average at best, so unless he has a monster offseason I don't see him improving to much. Would love it though if was able to. And as far as drafting Loadholt in the 3rd, it's definately a conceiveable option, but look how long it took to develop Dockery. Heck we seem to be going though the same thing Rhinehart right now. Any one of the big 4 could easily make an impact next year and onward.

Well you're right Dirtbag. I would like to see Heyer given a real chance at RT, but if one of the top 4 tackles is still there at 13, I think we should take him, or Mack, but I'm not gonna keep harping on that. If nothing else Heyer adds depth. But I could see if they're gone at 13 and a LB like Maualuga is still there, Vinny catching that sparkle out of the corner of his eye and saying " OOHHH.....what's that?" and picking up a LB that he thinks is a better value instead of reaching for a lesser OT that is not as high on the board. Which you really could'nt blame him as LB is also a position of need. With pro day coming up it's hard to tell right now who is going to be available. Players are still gonna be rising and falling. I think we could get by this year with the LB's we have if we had to, so a HOSS at RT would certainly be the #1 choice if one is available. And I agree that any one of the big 4 would pay dividends for years. But if they are gone, then going LB with the first pick and looking at guys like Fulton, Loadbolt, and Vollmer in the 3rd may be our only choice. Barring any change in draft position of course. If we had a second round pick I think guys like Britton, Beatty, and Meredith could possibly still be around. Of course it all depends on their pro days and some experts have as many as 6 OT's going in the first round.

[Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor]

We need to move Randy Thomas to right tackle and try that out and move Jansen to right guard. Thomas has always been a better pass blocker than run blocker which we need for our west coast offense to take root. If the injuries are behind Thomas is more than capable for the adjustment since he is athletic.

[MTK]

Not sure I like the idea of experimenting with moving guys around. Let's do the smart thing and draft a starter at RT and go from there.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Not sure I like the idea of experimenting with moving guys around. Let's do the smart thing and draft a starter at RT and go from there.

Bingo! AND maybe JJ can play a little bu (if his ego can stand it) and maybe.......he can compete at R guard.

[Eknox]

Why do we need a quick fix with an old o-lineman , isn't that the problem we are having now? We don't need grandpa Runyon (even though he's from my hometown Flint,Mi) he's too old..

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Eknox

Why do we need a quick fix with an old o-lineman , isn't that the problem we are having now? We don't need grandpa Runyon (even though he's from my hometown Flint,Mi) he's too old..

You going to tell him that the next time you see him in town?