Kirk Cousins 365 thread

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Do you mean a QB who got the non-exclusive franchise tag? Like Matt Cassell in 2009 or Kirk Cousins last year?

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[metalskins]

Originally Posted by mooby

No, my point is when a truly elite qb like a Manning or Brees has their contract about to expire, they get exclusive franchise tags. I assume Kirk will get a non-exclusive tag just because that's what they did last year. If they don't even want to entertain offers he will get the exclusive tag though.

OK. That I agree with. Either way I think he gets tagged. Is it the smartest move to make on Cousins? I dunno? There is some doubt with Cousins, but there's also doubt with anybody not named Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, or Drew Brees. Cousins is a good enough quarterback. Mark Rypien was never elite, nor did I ever really think of him as a franchise quarterback, yet he had that one masterful year that ended in a Super Bowl victory and him as Super Bowl MVP. Right now, we Redskins fans would most certainly welcome at least ONE Super Bowl winning year.

With the history of this franchise since the 80's, we've won Super Bowls based on a well-rounded team, not just a super star quarterback. In fact, I don't really believe we have ever had an elite quarterback since the 70's, so winning Super Bowls with a good quarterback (but not great) is OK with me so as long as we get there.

[CRedskinsRule]

18 days to go. I really expect a deal done by the 26th. But if its a sweetheart of a deal they ought to wrap it up next Tuesday.

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[mooby]

Originally Posted by metalskins

OK. That I agree with. Either way I think he gets tagged. Is it the smartest move to make on Cousins? I dunno? There is some doubt with Cousins, but there's also doubt with anybody not named Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, or Drew Brees. Cousins is a good enough quarterback. Mark Rypien was never elite, nor did I ever really think of him as a franchise quarterback, yet he had that one masterful year that ended in a Super Bowl victory and him as Super Bowl MVP. Right now, we Redskins fans would most certainly welcome at least ONE Super Bowl winning year.

With the history of this franchise since the 80's, we've won Super Bowls based on a well-rounded team, not just a super star quarterback. In fact, I don't really believe we have ever had an elite quarterback since the 70's, so winning Super Bowls with a good quarterback (but not great) is OK with me so as long as we get there.

Is it the smartest move? When the probable alternative is every qb since Rypien not named Brad Johnson yes it is IMO. Maybe if we had Phillip Rivers waiting in the wings I'd let him walk.

Here's your options if you're the FO:

A. Resign Kirk, AAV around 25 mil a year probably, still have plenty of room to improve the team elsewhere.
B. Start career backup Colt McCoy, or that long term project car rebuild named Nate Sudfeld and pray he's the next Brady.
C. Draft a qb. out of this weak draft class, potentially moving up to get the one you want or settling for a weak option you feel that you have no choice but to get because you don't want to waste a season with a hole at qb. Either way, most likely you are wasting the next 2+ seasons as he learns how difficult it is being a qb in the modern NFL.
D. Trade for or sign another qb. Note that most available qb's already in the NFL are being discarded by their current teams because they aren't good enough for one reason or another.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by mooby

Is it the smartest move? When the probable alternative is every qb since Rypien not named Brad Johnson yes it is IMO. Maybe if we had Phillip Rivers waiting in the wings I'd let him walk.

Here's your options if you're the FO:

A. Resign Kirk, AAV around 25 mil a year probably, still have plenty of room to improve the team elsewhere.
B. Start career backup Colt McCoy, or that long term project car rebuild named Nate Sudfeld and pray he's the next Brady.
C. Draft a qb. out of this weak draft class, potentially moving up to get the one you want or settling for a weak option you feel that you have no choice but to get because you don't want to waste a season with a hole at qb. Either way, most likely you are wasting the next 2+ seasons as he learns how difficult it is being a qb in the modern NFL.
D. Trade for or sign another qb. Note that most available qb's already in the NFL are being discarded by their current teams because they aren't good enough for one reason or another.

Like I said before, if there was some sort of trade with Phillip Rivers, I would consider that. I know we'd only have Rivers for a few seasons, but he's a proven franchise quarterback who (I believe) doesn't want to play in LA. Other than that, I really hate the idea of starting Colt McCoy or Nate S. Colt is a solid backup, but I don't believe is starting material. Either way, we'd see Nate in there before the season is over with.

Either the front office is playing this so genius that none of us can see it, or they're going to wind up playing it stupidly. I'd like to think we're past the Vinny Cerrato days and that the 'skins are merely waiting until closer to the deadline to cry uncle and give Cousins what he wants.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by metalskins

Like I said before, if there was some sort of trade with Phillip Rivers, I would consider that. I know we'd only have Rivers for a few seasons, but he's a proven franchise quarterback who (I believe) doesn't want to play in LA. Other than that, I really hate the idea of starting Colt McCoy or Nate S. Colt is a solid backup, but I don't believe is starting material. Either way, we'd see Nate in there before the season is over with.

Either the front office is playing this so genius that none of us can see it, or they're going to wind up playing it stupidly. I'd like to think we're past the Vinny Cerrato days and that the 'skins are merely waiting until closer to the deadline to cry uncle and give Cousins what he wants.

The front office has said that he's going to be here, and also implied that it will be a long term deal. I think most of the fretting is that we are simply used to the front office botching this.

I also think that once the ink is dry the warpath en masse will be ticked at how much we paid. I continue to expect a minimum of 65Million guaranteed, and a 6 year 140M deal.

The numbers will make some heads here explode.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

The front office has said that he's going to be here, and also implied that it will be a long term deal. I think most of the fretting is that we are simply used to the front office botching this.

I also think that once the ink is dry the warpath en masse will be ticked at how much we paid. I continue to expect a minimum of 65Million guaranteed, and a 6 year 140M deal.

The numbers will make some heads here explode.

When was the last true time that we had to make a big money deal on a QB?

Was it Mark Brunell, or was it Jeff George? And this isn't a joke question, i'm saying when was the last time we had a situation like this where we were trying to sign a starting QB to big time money?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

When was the last true time that we had to make a big money deal on a QB?

Was it Mark Brunell, or was it Jeff George? And this isn't a joke question, i'm saying when was the last time we had a situation like this where we were trying to sign a starting QB to big time money?

We haven't, but we certainly have tried forever. The closest to where we are now might have been Trent Green (he rejected 4 year 12M, and the next year took 4yr 17M. crazy that 20 years later we are looking at 24M for 1 yr, now that's wage inflation) Anyways, that's why we aren't going to let KC go.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

The front office has said that he's going to be here, and also implied that it will be a long term deal. I think most of the fretting is that we are simply used to the front office botching this.

I also think that once the ink is dry the warpath en masse will be ticked at how much we paid. I continue to expect a minimum of 65Million guaranteed, and a 6 year 140M deal.

The numbers will make some heads here explode.

Yes, it is incredible how much money NFL teams will pay for a QB now. My head won't explode but I may throw up - and I usually side with the players on money matters.

It's just terrible what a huge QB contract can do to a team's salary cap.

[rickmmrr]

Here's a question for all you arm chair psychologists. Do you think the fact that in 2016 Cousins was still auditioning for a long term contract, it had an impact on the games where he kind of choked. And if the answer is yes, then would signing him to a long term deal have the added bonus of allowing him to settle down and relax so he can just do his job.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by rickmmrr

Here's a question for all you arm chair psychologists. Do you think the fact that in 2016 Cousins was still auditioning for a long term contract, it had an impact on the games where he kind of choked. And if the answer is yes, then would signing him to a long term deal have the added bonus of allowing him to settle down and relax so he can just do his job.

I'm an arm chair psycho, so I'll give it a try. Kirk hinted that not having a deal kept him from performing at his best. To me, that is simply a poor excuse. He has my permission to relax and just do his job with or without a long-term contract. WTF is he whining about when he just got paid twenty freakin' million dollars for one season's work? It's like he's saying "Poor me, I'm only set up financially for one lifetime. I'm so worried that I won't get a contract with a $40M guarantee that will set me up for three lifetimes that I can hardly focus on my job." What a crock!

If anything, that kind of attitude, or excuse, makes him look like he lacks focus and mental toughness, which would make him exactly the type of QB I wouldn't want to sign to a long-term deal. Oh, I want him to be re-signed but I also want him to act like a man and stop whining and making far-fetched excuses for his inconsistent play. If he is a true competitor, then he doesn't need tens of millions more dollars so he can relax and continue striving to get better. He'll get more big money this season regardless of what he does but he shouldn't act as if worrying about the money has anything to do with his being able to improve his performance.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I'm an arm chair psycho, so I'll give it a try. Kirk hinted that not having a deal kept him from performing at his best. To me, that is simply a poor excuse. He has my permission to relax and just do his job with or without a long-term contract. WTF is he whining about when he just got paid twenty freakin' million dollars for one season's work? It's like he's saying "Poor me, I'm only set up financially for one lifetime. I'm so worried that I won't get a contract with a $40M guarantee that will set me up for three lifetimes that I can hardly focus on my job." What a crock!

If anything, that kind of attitude, or excuse, makes him look like he lacks focus and mental toughness, which would make him exactly the type of QB I wouldn't want to sign to a long-term deal. Oh, I want him to be re-signed but I also want him to act like a man and stop whining and making far-fetched excuses for his inconsistent play. If he is a true competitor, then he doesn't need tens of millions more dollars so he can relax and continue striving to get better. He'll get more big money this season regardless of what he does but he shouldn't act as if worrying about the money has anything to do with his being able to improve his performance.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I'm an arm chair psycho, so I'll give it a try. Kirk hinted that not having a deal kept him from performing at his best. To me, that is simply a poor excuse. He has my permission to relax and just do his job with or without a long-term contract. WTF is he whining about when he just got paid twenty freakin' million dollars for one season's work? It's like he's saying "Poor me, I'm only set up financially for one lifetime. I'm so worried that I won't get a contract with a $40M guarantee that will set me up for three lifetimes that I can hardly focus on my job." What a crock!

If anything, that kind of attitude, or excuse, makes him look like he lacks focus and mental toughness, which would make him exactly the type of QB I wouldn't want to sign to a long-term deal. Oh, I want him to be re-signed but I also want him to act like a man and stop whining and making far-fetched excuses for his inconsistent play. If he is a true competitor, then he doesn't need tens of millions more dollars so he can relax and continue striving to get better. He'll get more big money this season regardless of what he does but he shouldn't act as if worrying about the money has anything to do with his being able to improve his performance.

I like your point.

But I also think that for the players it's not all about the money.
It's also a very emotional game.
And I can understand the need to feel support from the board, to feel legitimate not only to play your best football, but to be the leader of the team too, to feel that your work is appreciated.

The guy we saw yell "How do you like me now?!" wasn't begging for money, but for support. (Money is a way to show that you believe in somebody though.)

Now is it an excuse for inconsistent play? Absolutely not. But it has to influence the mindset of a player, his level of confidence.

After to great seasons by KC, I can picture how all the noise and uncertainty, pretty much because of one bad game, has to feel pretty unfair and cheap.

[Brody81]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

I like your point.



But I also think that for the players it's not all about the money.

It's also a very emotional game.

And I can understand the need to feel support from the board, to feel legitimate not only to play your best football, but to be the leader of the team too, to feel that your work is appreciated.



The guy we saw yell "How do you like me now?!" wasn't begging for money, but for support. (Money is a way to show that you believe in somebody though.)



Now is it an excuse for inconsistent play? Absolutely not. But it has to influence the mindset of a player, his level of confidence.



After to great seasons by KC, I can picture how all the noise and uncertainty, pretty much because of one bad game, has to feel pretty unfair and cheap.

Agree.


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[KI Skins Fan]

I didn't blame Cousins inability to relax and play at his best on the lack of a long-term contract. He did.

I'll grant you that he may be upset that he doesn't have the full support of management by now.

I hate whining by anybody, especially multi-millionaires. So, whatever his reasons for being upset he can keep it to himself, as far as I'm concerned. It's business. He's holding all the cards and he doesn't even seem to know it. He should be thinking "If Snyder doesn't want me, then f*** him! I'll go elsewhere, make just as much money, and light up the little bastard's team whenever I play them." That's how grown men handle business matters.