Do you support Gibbs' decision to start Brunell? (Merged)

[BigSKINBauer]

Yes sir

[illdefined]

why not a poll, certainly begs for it.

i will say no, even if Brunell lights up Dallas, those first 3 drives of the season was *not* enough to tell me Ramsey couldn't have either. if i've learned anything, its that pre-season dictates very little, and developing a rhythm only happens in game situations with all your weapons and all the time. this is a surprising loss of his cool, and amounts to Gibbs hitting the panic button.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by illdefined

why not a poll, certainly begs for it.

i will say no, even if Brunell lights up Dallas, those first 3 drives of the season was *not* enough to tell me Ramsey couldn't have either. if i've learned anything, its that pre-season dictates very little, and developing a rhythm only happens in game situations with all your weapons and all the time. this is a surprising loss of his cool, and amounts to Gibbs hitting the panic button.

I wanted people to post their views so they could be cited later down the road. I was afraid that if I posted a poll, people wouldn't write down where they stood.

[Daseal]

Absolutely not -- Brunell played like shit for 9 weeks and he didnt yank him. Ramsey played fairly well minus the INT and was getting hotter as the game went on. Will he ever give him a chance?

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Absolutely not -- Brunell played like shit for 9 weeks and he didnt yank him. Ramsey played fairly well minus the INT and was getting hotter as the game went on. Will he ever give him a chance?

Nope. And anyone who said Ramsey had his chance, is freaking kidding themselves. He played 1000x better than Brunell did last year. In my opinion, Ramsey played better than Brunell yesterday. I dont get this decision at all.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Absolutely not -- Brunell played like shit for 9 weeks and he didnt yank him. Ramsey played fairly well minus the INT and was getting hotter as the game went on. Will he ever give him a chance?

The writing was on Gibbs' draft board....Ramsey was done pretty much the minute Gibbs came to Washington.

[jdlea]

Hell no. Brunell is done and has been for like 4 years.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Absolutely not -- Brunell played like shit for 9 weeks and he didnt yank him. Ramsey played fairly well minus the INT and was getting hotter as the game went on. Will he ever give him a chance?

Originally Posted by gmanc711

Nope. And anyone who said Ramsey had his chance, is freaking kidding themselves. He played 1000x better than Brunell did last year. In my opinion, Ramsey played better than Brunell yesterday. I dont get this decision at all.

DAMN STRAIGHT MEN!

Gibbs has a hard on for Brunell, he loves to harp on Ramsey for INT's while Ramsey is still learning Gibbs system and growing as a young QB, yet last season it was as if Brunell never had a turnover, yet his turnovers were the most costly of all, we lost 2 games as a direct result of his fumbles, but that's OK, Ramsey can drive the ball up and down the field all day and if he throws an INT he's crusified, yet Brunell can go drive after drive without a first down and it's fine, perhaps if Brunell actually tried to make a realistic attemt to get the ball downfield he might have a few more INT's as well, but we all know that ain't happening.

I really have lost respect for Gibbs in this matter, no way did Brunell do anything to unseat Ramsey, yet there it is he's starting, does anyone think Ramsey is getting 1/10 of the chance Brunell was given last year? No way! This is all about Gibbs not being able to swallow his pride and admit he royally screwed up in not only bringing Brunell in, but giving up the farm to do so, when we all knew he was being released, Gibbs came along and went after him as if he was the second coming of Marino.

Does anyone really believe Gibbs wasen't looking for any excuse whatsoever to put Ramsey on the bench? If you don't your only kidding yourself!


I am chalking another one up in the win column for dallas monday, the only good thing that will come out of it is the beating, and reality check, Gibbs and Brunell are going to have once Parcells get's through with them.

[Hijinx]

Whether or not you think Brunell is better than Ramsey, you have to question the timing. If Gibbs thought Brunell was better then Ramsey than why give him the start? Once him named PR the starter, why not give PR at least a full half of a game? A starting QB change before game 2, a nationaly televised game against the Cowboys is not a smart move. You think the media isn't going to pester every member of the team and coaching staff to death over this issue?

Plus where does this lead? Lets we are 2-4 or even 3-3 after 6 games, does he stick with more of Brunell, go back to Ramsey after he pretty much burnned that bridge, or go with the rookie? Same thing for when/if Brunell gets hurt in a few weeks.

I could see making this move after a bad performance on Monday or after week 3, but this is just a early I think.

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by offiss

DAMN STRAIGHT MEN!

Gibbs has a hard on for Brunell, he loves to harp on Ramsey for INT's while Ramsey is still learning Gibbs system and growing as a young QB, yet last season it was as if Brunell never had a turnover, yet his turnovers were the most costly of all, we lost 2 games as a direct result of his fumbles, but that's OK, Ramsey can drive the ball up and down the field all day and if he throws an INT he's crusified, yet Brunell can go drive after drive without a first down and it's fine, perhaps if Brunell actually tried to make a realistic attemt to get the ball downfield he might have a few more INT's as well, but we all know that ain't happening.

I really have lost respect for Gibbs in this matter, no way did Brunell do anything to unseat Ramsey, yet there it is he's starting, does anyone think Ramsey is getting 1/10 of the chance Brunell was given last year? No way! This is all about Gibbs not being able to swallow his pride and admit he royally screwed up in not only bringing Brunell in, but giving up the farm to do so, when we all knew he was being released, Gibbs came along and went after him as if he was the second coming of Marino.

Does anyone really believe Gibbs wasen't looking for any excuse whatsoever to put Ramsey on the bench? If you don't your only kidding yourself!


I am chalking another one up in the win column for dallas monday, the only good thing that will come out of it is the beating, and reality check, Gibbs and Brunell are going to have once Parcells get's through with them.

Fact of the matter is Ramsey is not read yet! He just may need more time!!! We have a better chance of winning with Brunell then Ramsey. Monday night in Dallas Ramsey would have little chance of getting the job done. I am not saying that Brunell will do that much better but he has been in games at the other guys home under fire. I just have this feeling that Brunell can pull this off with a week with the first O!

[Joe Knows...]

Originally Posted by RedskinPete

Fact of the matter is Ramsey is not read yet! He just may need more time!!! We have a better chance of winning with Brunell then Ramsey. Monday night in Dallas Ramsey would have little chance of getting the job done. I am not saying that Brunell will do that much better but he has been in games at the other guys home under fire. I just have this feeling that Brunell can pull this off with a week with the first O!

I noticed an interesting comment from Coach Gibbs while I was just watching his press comferance where he made the anouncement on Redskins.com TV. He said he looked to the past to take notes from and he talked about Mark Rypien being on the IR for 2 years, then get his chance to play and throwing 9 interceptions in 8 games. He said they kept trying to get it across to Ryp not to allow so many turn overs and they worked with him in drills and such. But the biggest thing Joe Gibbs thought got across to Rypien was this... he sat Rypien and let some one else be the starter. He said Rypien learned from that experience and the next time he was prepared to take the reigns and be the starter. You all know what happened then. SUPERBOWL MVP, BABY, YEAH!! "I'M GOING TO DISNEY WORLD, WHOOOO!!"

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Joe Knows...

I noticed an interesting comment from Coach Gibbs while I was just watching his press comferance where he made the anouncement on Redskins.com TV. He said he looked to the past to take notes from and he talked about Mark Rypien being on the IR for 2 years, then get his chance to play and throwing 9 interceptions in 8 games. He said they kept trying to get it across to Ryp not to allow so many turn overs and they worked with him in drills and such. But the biggest thing Joe Gibbs thought got across to Rypien was this... he sat Rypien and let some one else be the starter. He said Rypien learned from that experience and the next time he was prepared to take the reigns and be the starter. You all know what happened then. SUPERBOWL MVP, BABY, YEAH!! "I'M GOING TO DISNEY WORLD, WHOOOO!!"

JK, you seemingly have glossed over the most glaring part of that statement, and it's 2 word's EIGHT GAMES! Not 19 minutes, and just for the record Ramsey will be much better than Ryp ever was if given a fair chance.

[Big Oh]

Originally Posted by RedskinPete

Fact of the matter is Ramsey is not read yet! He just may need more time!!! We have a better chance of winning with Brunell then Ramsey. Monday night in Dallas Ramsey would have little chance of getting the job done. I am not saying that Brunell will do that much better but he has been in games at the other guys home under fire. I just have this feeling that Brunell can pull this off with a week with the first O!

No on can argue with Brunells track record, he is a proven All Pro NFL QB but ...
Patrick was beginning to settle down he was moving the ball an completing passes downfield he was coming around. Its a shame that no one wants to admit that Gibbs just wants Brunell, thats his guy. I dont care if Montana and Marino were on the team he would still find a reason to start Brunell. Lets just get ready for a season field goals.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Absolutely not -- Brunell played like shit for 9 weeks and he didnt yank him. Ramsey played fairly well minus the INT and was getting hotter as the game went on. Will he ever give him a chance?

I can't believe I'm doing this, but put me down as a "NO" and as being in complete agreement with Daseal (there's a first time for everything, LOL).

[Joe Knows...]

Do you see my user name? That stands for Joe Knows Best. He is the coach of this team and he is a Hall Of Fame Coach at that. A H.O.F. Coach that has won us 3 Super Bowls. The man knows better than any one else who he needs to run his offense.

Look, I am a HUGE Ramsey fan. I actually got to hang out with him in the Dickinson College courtyard his first day of training camp his rookie year (the day Jon Janson tied him to the goal post and hazed him with ice.) He is a very nice guy, and an excellent person of character. But the fact of the matter is, ever since Steve Spurrier let him get killed and anialated and hung him out to dry that year, he has not been the same Quarterback. He has been figity and indecisive and worst of all, he has made very poor decisions with the football. And when you shoot your self in the foot you can't win football games.

I had that happen to me when I played QB in High School. I got creemated, and I know what it does to you. It ruins you. Your never the same afterward. Your instincts change. And you become figity and indecisive, and you get a false sense of urgency even when there is no pressure. Wich results in bad decisions with the football.

That is what happened with Patrick. Lately he has bee wreckless with the football and allowed too many unescessary turn over opurtunities. He doesn't need to force things with a defense like ours.

As long as we have the defense we have, we don't need to make too many big plays. All we had to do was control the football. Just like the Ravens did when they rode their defense all the way to the super bowl.

Of coarse, with John Hall out now, that will be a lot more difficult unless we can find a competent and confident place kicker.

But with Mark Brunell this year, he seems a lot more healthy and more like his old self from his pro-bowl days in Jacksonville. With Brunell, you know he'll protect the football and make smarter decisions. He's a veteran and will do just what needs to be done to give our defense the best chance to keep us in the ball game. Plus, his mobility makes defenses not just que in and blitz all the time like they did against Patrick. Brunell can beat the blitz alot better than Patrick. He also gets the ball out quicker than Patrick.

I think Brunell has looked excellent this year and gives us the best chance to win, so as much as I love Patrick Ramsey, I am jumping on the Brunell band wagon. We are in the bussiness of winning football games and winning is all that matters. And Mark Brunell gives us the best chance of winning.

My final answer to the question is yes.

And as a side note, if Ramsey must be traded for him to be happy then I hope he gets what he wants so he can be happy in life. He deserves at least that much. I just don't see how he'll start for any other NFL teams except maybe for Cleveland or possibly even the Jets with Pennington seemingly finished after that shoulder surgery causing him to loose all his mechanics and arm strength.