Griffin's impact on the off-season FA/draft

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Well technically Brandt didn't say Griffin over Luck, he just alluded to it, and to make such a declaration due to a workout, especially the day before Lucks workout would undermine his credibility.

Dungy, I give you Dungy, that certainly counts as a respectable opinion but for the sake of this debate I'm going to play my "Dungy is a defensive guy" card.

My point was never that Griffin should be taken over Luck that was the point you were arguing against.
My argument is that its a legitimate question.

And taking a pot shot at Gil Brandt's credibility? Tisk, tisk.
The man has forgotten more about football then most scouts/GMs out there he's one of the more universally respected people in scouting.

Re: Dungy being a defensive coach
I think were above being argumentative?
But, Dungy having actually played college QB himself and coaching Peyton Manning and being a former DC that actually games plan against these QBs has to count more in his favor then against it.

[SFREDSKIN]

I've watched Luck the last 3 years and yes, he's as good as advertised and getting better. RGIII had a great year this year before that he was good. Bottom line Luck will be a great pro as will RGIII, Luck has more experience in a pro style which puts him ahead of Griffin. Griffin is a better athlete by not much, is very smart but lacks the experience. Both will be great and I would be very, very happy with either. People need to relax and be happy we are in the position to draft either one of these great prospects.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I've watched Luck the last 3 years and yes, he's as good as advertised and getting better. RGIII had a great year this year before that he was good. Bottom line Luck will be a great pro as will RGIII, Luck has more experience in a pro style which puts him ahead of Griffin. Griffin is a better athlete by not much, is very smart but lacks the experience. Both will be great and I would be very, very happy with either. People need to relax and be happy we are in the position to draft either one of these great prospects.

Although I have my preference for Robert Griffin III, I'm with you. I wouldn't mind drafting Andrew Luck either. I saw both of these young men play last year and they both were the best in the nation playing the quarterback position. Jim Irsay has a decision to make. If he opts to take RG3 then I'll be disappointed, but I'll also be very elated for the Redskins to land the young quarterback out of Stanford.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by 30gut

My point was never that Griffin should be taken over Luck that was the point you were arguing against.
My argument is that its a legitimate question.

And taking a pot shot at Gil Brandt's credibility? Tisk, tisk.
The man has forgotten more about football then most scouts/GMs out there he's one of the more universally respected people in scouting.

Re: Dungy being a defensive coach
I think were above being argumentative?
But, Dungy having actually played college QB himself and coaching Peyton Manning and being a former DC that actually games plan against these QBs has to count more in his favor then against it.

I didn't take a shot at Brandt's credibility, I basically said if he had outright declared RG3 the number 1 QB prospect after a workout which took place the day before Luck's it would have undermined his credibility. But he didn't do that which leaves his credibility in tact.

As for Dungy, you got me, stupid defensive guy card.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

As for Dungy, you got me, stupid defensive guy card.

That Dungy doesn't know anything about QBs!

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

30 did you say Cam Newton was the best QB prospect you've ever seen?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

30 did you say Cam Newton was the best QB prospect you've ever seen?

Yes, and its not due to hindsight bias from having watched Newton's rookie year.
I thought Newton was a better prospect then Luck prior to Cam's rookie year.

[30gut]

Good news for the OL watchers:

Bryan Brackney ‏ @bryanbrackney
Demetrius Bell has narrowed his choices between the Redskins and Bills.

Bryan Brackney ‏ @bryanbrackney
@TimAdams_Skins1 Redskins (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...tXHS_blog.html) and Bills (Redirect Notice). Cardinals have dropped out after re-signing LT L. Brown

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

I don't see how you can look at pre-draft Luck vs. Newton and say Newton is superior but to each his own. I will say I think RG3 vs "Killa" Cam will be a next generation QB rivalry a la Manning vs Brady.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

I don't see how you can look at pre-draft Luck vs. Newton and say Newton is superior but to each his own. I will say I think RG3 vs "Killa" Cam will be a next generation QB rivalry a la Manning vs Brady.

Sky is the limit for CAM, he's one of the most talented QBs thats ever came around, as for RGIII vs Luck? I think both are going to be good to great for years to come

[30gut]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

I don't see how you can look at pre-draft Luck vs. Newton and say Newton is superior but to each his own.

Likewise.
Elite arm talent, velocity, deep ball, throwing motion.
Elite size, build, durability, athleticism, speed, playmaking.
Leadership, charisma, work ethic, coachability.

Question:
Do you think Luck is gonna have as good a rookie year as Newton?

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Sky's the limit for Cam, Luck, and Griffin.

[30gut]

Ranking the 2012 Free Agents: Offensive Tackles | ProFootballFocus.com

Ranking the 2012 Free Agents: Offensive Tackles

2) Demetrius Bell, Buffalo Bills

Age as of 1st September, 2012: 28

2011 Grade: +6.8

Key Stat: Allowed pressure only once every 28 pass plays in 2011, up from 13.6 in 2010.

Behind the Number: Playing under a restricted free agent tag in 2011, Bell looked to be putting together the classic “contract season” performance until it was curtailed by injury. To his credit, Bell didn’t slip into poor performances of the past in a three-game stint at the end of the season, but is 401 snaps of true quality enough for a team to invest in him long term? Bell was Jason Peters’ replacement after he bolted for Philadelphia, but he was slow to repay the Bills’ faith in him. He has taken large strides since his first season as a starter in 2009 drastically reducing his pressures allowed and penalties conceded through 2010 and 2011. Another big stride in 2012 would see Bell join the league’s Top 10 left tackles. If multiple teams see that as a real possibility Bell’s market value could rise when free agency opens.

Please, please, please.....

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Likewise.

Elite arm talent, velocity, deep ball, throwing motion.

Elite size, build, durability, athleticism, speed, playmaking.

Leadership, charisma, work ethic, coachability.



Question:

Do you think Luck is gonna have as good a rookie year as Newton?

No. Cam's rookie season stats wise was nothing short of a virtuoso performance. I can only compare it to the way Big Ben hit the scene. I think Griffin will have the better rookie season but the three of these guys will be NFL faces for their careers. My predictions for rookie seasons:

Luck 3,300 yards 20 TDs 14 Ints 3 rush TDs (5-11)
Griffin 3,500 yards 20 TDs 12 Ints 7 rush TDs (9-7)

Griffin, as with Newton will have the better supporting cast but neither will hit Newton's 4,000 rookie record.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

No. Cam's rookie season stats wise was nothing short of a virtuoso performance. I can only compare it to the way Big Ben hit the scene. I think Griffin will have the better rookie season but the three of these guys will be NFL faces for their careers. My predictions for rookie seasons:

Luck 3,300 yards 20 TDs 14 Ints 3 rush TDs (5-11)
Griffin 3,500 yards 20 TDs 12 Ints 7 rush TDs (9-7)

Griffin, as with Newton will have the better supporting cast but neither will hit Newton's 4,000 rookie record.

Luck doesn't throw INT's, i say less than 10 interceptions.