Our 2010 First Round Draft Pick Should Be...

[BigHairedAristocrat]

I voted QB; however it really depends on where we draft, what players are available, and how deep the 2010 and 2011 drafts are at the QB and OL positions. it usually takes longer to develop a QB; where as 1st round OTs can usually start right away. If we are looking towards the future, and there was a "can't miss QB prospect sitting there," then drafting a QB would make the most sense. Our plan would be to draft a Qb with our 2010 1st round pick, draft an OT with our 2010 2nd round pick, and draft an OT with our 2011 1st round pick.

However, at this time, I personally don't think there will be any QBs available worth taking with a top 5 pick (which i presume we will have). However, alot can change between now and the draft and, in theory, taking a QB makes the most sense.

The absolute last thing we should do is draft a running back in the first or second rounds in 2010. Running backs have such a short "lifespan" of being productive in the NFL, we would be foolish to waste a high pick on a running back until we have a rock solid offensive line. Otherwise, the running back would be on the downside of his career before we had built up a good enough line around him.

Now, everything I just said goes out the window if the team does the smart thing and trades away all our "valuable veterans" for high draft picks (Haynesworth for 2 1st, Cooley for a 1st, Landry for a 2nd, etc.) We're rebuilding in a capless year - As much as we love some of them, there's no sense keeping these guys around.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I voted QB; however it really depends on where we draft, what players are available, and how deep the 2010 and 2011 drafts are at the QB and OL positions. it usually takes longer to develop a QB; where as 1st round OTs can usually start right away. If we are looking towards the future, and there was a "can't miss QB prospect sitting there," then drafting a QB would make the most sense. Our plan would be to draft a Qb with our 2010 1st round pick, draft an OT with our 2010 2nd round pick, and draft an OT with our 2011 1st round pick.

However, at this time, I personally don't think there will be any QBs available worth taking with a top 5 pick (which i presume we will have). However, alot can change between now and the draft and, in theory, taking a QB makes the most sense.

The absolute last thing we should do is draft a running back in the first or second rounds in 2010. Running backs have such a short "lifespan" of being productive in the NFL, we would be foolish to waste a high pick on a running back until we have a rock solid offensive line. Otherwise, the running back would be on the downside of his career before we had built up a good enough line around him.

Now, everything I just said goes out the window if the team does the smart thing and trades away all our "valuable veterans" for high draft picks (Haynesworth for 2 1st, Cooley for a 1st, Landry for a 2nd, etc.) We're rebuilding in a capless year - As much as we love some of them, there's no sense keeping these guys around.

Someone has a limited grip on NFL reality. That proposal is positively stupid!

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

Someone has a limited grip on NFL reality. That proposal is positively stupid!

Someone should read BHA's post more often. That someone is you.

[RedskinMike]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I voted QB; however it really depends on where we draft, what players are available, and how deep the 2010 and 2011 drafts are at the QB and OL positions. it usually takes longer to develop a QB; where as 1st round OTs can usually start right away. If we are looking towards the future, and there was a "can't miss QB prospect sitting there," then drafting a QB would make the most sense. Our plan would be to draft a Qb with our 2010 1st round pick, draft an OT with our 2010 2nd round pick, and draft an OT with our 2011 1st round pick.

However, at this time, I personally don't think there will be any QBs available worth taking with a top 5 pick (which i presume we will have). However, alot can change between now and the draft and, in theory, taking a QB makes the most sense.

The absolute last thing we should do is draft a running back in the first or second rounds in 2010. Running backs have such a short "lifespan" of being productive in the NFL, we would be foolish to waste a high pick on a running back until we have a rock solid offensive line. Otherwise, the running back would be on the downside of his career before we had built up a good enough line around him.

Now, everything I just said goes out the window if the team does the smart thing and trades away all our "valuable veterans" for high draft picks (Haynesworth for 2 1st, Cooley for a 1st, Landry for a 2nd, etc.) We're rebuilding in a capless year - As much as we love some of them, there's no sense keeping these guys around.

In no way is Haynesworth traded even for 2 1sts, then the skins would have paid him 40 + million for one season. No chance that happens.

[GTripp0012]

It's worth noting that 13-16 NFL teams need offensive tackles like there is no tomorrow. The only advantage of picking in the top ten is that we can actually snag one of those guys before a majority of those teams have a shot.

Clearly there are other offensive needs as well, but especially in a light year for receivers (i.e. a year that teams who lack both receivers and OTs don't have the allure of a WR to keep them from creating a run on OTs), the Redskins NEED to capitalize on their draft position and get a tackle before it's too late.

Now, if for whatever reason, we end up picking closer to the middle of the round, then we'll probably have more reason to pick a RB or QB.

[schndr_tdd]

QB if there is quality,but id go with best EVALUATED talent at QB,OL,RB but there maybe enough talent in the free agent market for OL,RB but QB there wont be.Everyone doggin on Bradford ,but he is smart with his decisions and is accurate(even after he came back from his shoulder injury)and we havent seen that since Rypien was slinging the rock.There are a few QB that are 2nd rounders that may be worthy.

[rbanerjee23]

Everyone who thinks QB is the top choice needs a cat scan

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Everyone who thinks QB is the top choice needs a cat scan

Are you telling me the Colts would have been better off if they had selected Kyle Turley or Tra Thomas in 98? A quality QB can turn your franchise around more then an OL can. The Bengals are most likely still near the bottom of the NFL had they not picked Carson Palmer. By the same token I'll be the first to admit that the Texans and Lions would have been better off selecting McKinne instead of Carr and Harrington.

To me what would be unacceptable is not using our second round pick on a Tackle, or a Guard (assuming we pick up a few quality Tackles in free agency). Then after that brining in at least two more rookies, selected during the draft mind you, to compete in camp.

I think that the decision will be to select a QB or T in the first, I don't think a 2nd round QB has been successful in today's NFL with the exception of Drew Brees whos overall position would be that of a 1st round pick today (32nd overall) and Brett Farve (who was picked in the 2nd round 200 years ago) so I would rule out picking a QB in the 2nd. In fact recent history says you would be better off getting a QB in the 3rd or 4th round (Schuab, Orton, and Simms) as opposed to the second round (Kolb, Beck, Stanton, Clemons, T. Jackson, Brohm).

Look no one here is a bigger proponent of the O-Line then me, but we're going to need a QB to compete in this division. Don't get me wrong we need to bring in at least 4 Lineman capable of starting next year, but it still doesn't change the fact that we need to find a QB.

I will say this though, one of the biggest compliments towards the Allen/Gruden era in Tampa Bay was a willingingness to spend high draft picks for the sake of building a respectable O-Line so if all signs are pointing towards the owner bringing in those two then I'd be all for it, even if it means bringing in more QB's then Vinny does RB's.

[CRedskinsRule]

^^ and the one who said a RB probably thinks she should be Miss USA

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

^^ and the one who said a RB probably thinks she should be Miss USA

Ewwwww......damn....that was jacked up....

[Trample the Elderly]

My vote goes to . . . . Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law.

[Kalisto2010]

Wait a minute. You guys mean to tell me that we'll win more games by drafting an O-lineman in the first round instead of a QB? We can address our O-line in free-agency. Lineman are a dime a dozen, franchise QB's aren't. How many more franchise QB's do we have to pass before someone realizes that we can't win a Superbowl without a Superbowl QB. Here's list of available O-lineman in free-agency.


Jahri Evans, New Orleans Saints (26)
Jahri Evans is continuing to grade out as the team’s best run-blocking linemen week after week. The Saints have done a nice job of efficiently running the ball through the middle and on the right side of the line. His continual high level of play and positive, team-first attitude should translate to a high-end offensive guard contract at year’s end. Expect the Saints, who have nothing but positive things to say towards Evans, to richly reward him for his hard work and production.

Logan Mankins, New England Patriots (27)
Logan Mankins has been a very consistent player for the Patriots since he was drafted. That type of consistency is difficult to match, but with free agency inflating the value of offensive guards, the Patriots may end up letting him walk if the price isn’t right. They drafted a couple interior linemen last year and have to use some of their free money to re-sign other players. From what Mankins has said, he wants to stay on this winning franchise, but he could be one of the top players available next offseason.

Marcus McNeill, San Diego Chargers (25)
McNeill isn’t playing at an elite level this year, but is still an above average left tackle. He’s one of the “bigger” names at the left tackle position thanks to his spectacular, hyped rookie season. McNeill has also been undercompensated the last few years playing on his rookie contract as a 2nd round pick, which may incline him to ask for more money than he “deserves.” Any of the Chargers could feasibly be had this offseason and McNeill is no different, but with some of the offensive line woes of the Chargers, McNeill may be one of their top priorities. His long-term neck and back problems could be in the back of the team’s mind as well.

Daryn Colledge, Green Bay Packers (27)
Colledge is no longer viewed as the solution at left tackle in Green Bay. Mid-round TJ Lang has taken over the back-up position there. That alone is enough to make his value take a significant plunge. This will especially be overstated because of his poor performance in the team’s biggest game to date – Monday Night in Minnesota. Still, he’s an above average starting offensive guard and a great pass protector in the interior. Colledge’s value will most likely be highest to the Packers because he’s a great fit for what they do and they know his true value.

Jared Gaither, Baltimore Ravens (23) – Restricted FA
After being taken off the field on a stretcher in New England, Gaither luckily suffered no season or career threatening injury. His return to the field should come in the upcoming weeks. The Ravens have found their bookend tackles, with him and Oher on either side, and even if they can’t settle on a long-term deal with Gaither this offseason, they still have the ability to put a tender on him. At the very least, it would force teams to give up serious compensation for his services. Gaither’s length and athleticism make him an ideal fit at left tackle, but could possibly get him for less coin if they think Oher is capable of playing LT and pay Gaither on the right side.

Winston Justice, Philadelphia Eagles (24)
Justice is finally starting to live up to his expectations as a 2nd round selection. He’s played well in pass protection at right tackle replacing the oft-injured Shawn Andrews. The Eagles are in a tricky situation. Andrews has flashed so much potential and played well when on the field, but has struggled to give them enough snaps without getting injured. Should the team re-sign Justice, they could very well be putting Justice on the bench at the cost of a starter. They already have last year’s free agent acquisition, Stacy Andrews expensively riding the bench.

Kevin Mawae, Tennessee Titans (38)
Mawae has started all six games for the Titans this year, but with his contract expiring, the line may turn to Leroy Harris who will have been groomed for 3 years, sparingly seeing the field. If Mawae is up for another season, he could land on a number of teams, or just re-sign in Tennessee. He still has a little gas left in the tank and it the Titans pass on him, several teams will be lining up for him and accept the leadership he brings to the team.

Chad Clifton, Green Bay Packers (33)
Clifton has suffered a lingering ankle injury this season forcing the Packers to retreat to other options at left tackle. Even when on the field, Clifton hasn’t looked like half the player he was in his prime where he was one of the league’s best pass blockers. The years of injury and battle have worn on Clifton who has lost some of his discipline and been beaten on several occasions. If Clifton isn’t offered another contract in Green Bay, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the franchise’s great blind side protector call it quits.

Mike Gandy, Arizona Cardinals (30)
Gandy has struggled immensely and should definitely be upgraded this offseason. He doesn’t hold much value on the left side and may be asked to move to the right side for the rest of his career. If Arizona can’t find a better replacement, they could potentially try and get one more year out of him, but the Cardinals would be pushing their luck.
Eugene Amano, Tennessee Titans (27)
David Baas, San Francisco 49ers (27)
Khalif Barnes, Oakland Raiders (27)
Alex Barron, St. Louis Rams (26)
Mike Brisiel, Houston Texans (26)
Jeromey Clary, San Diego Chargers (25) – Restricted FA
Nick Cole, Philadelphia Eagles (25)
Willie Colon, Pittsburgh Steelers (26)
Ryan Cook, Minnesota Vikings (26)
Tyson Clabo, Atlanta Falcons (28)
Harvey Dahl, Atlanta Falcons (28)
Cornell Green, Oakland Raiders (33)
Rex Hadnot, Cleveland Browns (27)
Ben Hamilton, Denver Broncos (32)
Justin Hartwig, Pittsburgh Steelers (30)
Stephon Heyer, Washington Redskins (25) – Restricted FA
Richie Incognito, St. Louis Rams (26)
Jon Jansen, Washington Redskins (33)
Charlie Johnson, Indianapolis Colts (25)
Nick Kaczur, New England Patriots (30)
Chris Kuper, Denver Broncos (26)
Deuce Lutui, Arizona Cardinals (26)
Stephen Neal, New England Patriots (32)
Rudy Niswanger, Kansas City Chiefs (26)
Donald Penn, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (26)
Chester Pitts, Houston Texans (30)
Manuel Ramirez, Detroit Lions (26) – Restricted FA
Rob Sims, Seattle Seahawks (25)
Chris Spencer, Seattle Seahawks (27)
Jason Spitz, Green Bay Packers (26)
Adam Terry, Baltimore Ravens (27)
Jeremy Trueblood, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (26)
Bobbie Williams, Cincinnati Bengals (32)
Marshal Yanda, Baltimore Ravens (24)

2010 NFL Free Agents: OL

[GridIron26]

Kalisto, you may be right but in top 10 of those o-line men will absolutely be resigned or tagged with restricted.. It's good thing that free agent starts earlier than draft, so if we are able to sign several good o-line men, then we probably should go ahead and draft QB with #1.. Remember, we need TWO tackles (or maybe more if we decide not to keep Heyer and Williams), a center and possibly a guard.. The chances for us to fill in all necessary positions on offense line through free agency are slim..

Edit: I just checked the free agency pool for QBs, it doesn't look good at all.. There is not one proven starter that can start for any team, although some could argue for Culpepper..

So what I'm saying, is I think all we can do is hope for Snyder to hire an intelligent GM who knows football and leave the rest to him.. We are stuck with what we have.. We have to be very careful if we wish to be good team next year..

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

Wait a minute. You guys mean to tell me that we'll win more games by drafting an O-lineman in the first round instead of a QB? We can address our O-line in free-agency. Lineman are a dime a dozen, franchise QB's aren't. How many more franchise QB's do we have to pass before someone realizes that we can't win a Superbowl without a Superbowl QB. Here's list of available O-lineman in free-agency.


Jahri Evans, New Orleans Saints (26)
Jahri Evans is continuing to grade out as the team’s best run-blocking linemen week after week. The Saints have done a nice job of efficiently running the ball through the middle and on the right side of the line. His continual high level of play and positive, team-first attitude should translate to a high-end offensive guard contract at year’s end. Expect the Saints, who have nothing but positive things to say towards Evans, to richly reward him for his hard work and production.

Logan Mankins, New England Patriots (27)
Logan Mankins has been a very consistent player for the Patriots since he was drafted. That type of consistency is difficult to match, but with free agency inflating the value of offensive guards, the Patriots may end up letting him walk if the price isn’t right. They drafted a couple interior linemen last year and have to use some of their free money to re-sign other players. From what Mankins has said, he wants to stay on this winning franchise, but he could be one of the top players available next offseason.

Marcus McNeill, San Diego Chargers (25)
McNeill isn’t playing at an elite level this year, but is still an above average left tackle. He’s one of the “bigger” names at the left tackle position thanks to his spectacular, hyped rookie season. McNeill has also been undercompensated the last few years playing on his rookie contract as a 2nd round pick, which may incline him to ask for more money than he “deserves.” Any of the Chargers could feasibly be had this offseason and McNeill is no different, but with some of the offensive line woes of the Chargers, McNeill may be one of their top priorities. His long-term neck and back problems could be in the back of the team’s mind as well.

Daryn Colledge, Green Bay Packers (27)
Colledge is no longer viewed as the solution at left tackle in Green Bay. Mid-round TJ Lang has taken over the back-up position there. That alone is enough to make his value take a significant plunge. This will especially be overstated because of his poor performance in the team’s biggest game to date – Monday Night in Minnesota. Still, he’s an above average starting offensive guard and a great pass protector in the interior. Colledge’s value will most likely be highest to the Packers because he’s a great fit for what they do and they know his true value.

Jared Gaither, Baltimore Ravens (23) – Restricted FA
After being taken off the field on a stretcher in New England, Gaither luckily suffered no season or career threatening injury. His return to the field should come in the upcoming weeks. The Ravens have found their bookend tackles, with him and Oher on either side, and even if they can’t settle on a long-term deal with Gaither this offseason, they still have the ability to put a tender on him. At the very least, it would force teams to give up serious compensation for his services. Gaither’s length and athleticism make him an ideal fit at left tackle, but could possibly get him for less coin if they think Oher is capable of playing LT and pay Gaither on the right side.

Winston Justice, Philadelphia Eagles (24)
Justice is finally starting to live up to his expectations as a 2nd round selection. He’s played well in pass protection at right tackle replacing the oft-injured Shawn Andrews. The Eagles are in a tricky situation. Andrews has flashed so much potential and played well when on the field, but has struggled to give them enough snaps without getting injured. Should the team re-sign Justice, they could very well be putting Justice on the bench at the cost of a starter. They already have last year’s free agent acquisition, Stacy Andrews expensively riding the bench.

Kevin Mawae, Tennessee Titans (38)
Mawae has started all six games for the Titans this year, but with his contract expiring, the line may turn to Leroy Harris who will have been groomed for 3 years, sparingly seeing the field. If Mawae is up for another season, he could land on a number of teams, or just re-sign in Tennessee. He still has a little gas left in the tank and it the Titans pass on him, several teams will be lining up for him and accept the leadership he brings to the team.

Chad Clifton, Green Bay Packers (33)
Clifton has suffered a lingering ankle injury this season forcing the Packers to retreat to other options at left tackle. Even when on the field, Clifton hasn’t looked like half the player he was in his prime where he was one of the league’s best pass blockers. The years of injury and battle have worn on Clifton who has lost some of his discipline and been beaten on several occasions. If Clifton isn’t offered another contract in Green Bay, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the franchise’s great blind side protector call it quits.

Mike Gandy, Arizona Cardinals (30)
Gandy has struggled immensely and should definitely be upgraded this offseason. He doesn’t hold much value on the left side and may be asked to move to the right side for the rest of his career. If Arizona can’t find a better replacement, they could potentially try and get one more year out of him, but the Cardinals would be pushing their luck.
Eugene Amano, Tennessee Titans (27)
David Baas, San Francisco 49ers (27)
Khalif Barnes, Oakland Raiders (27)
Alex Barron, St. Louis Rams (26)
Mike Brisiel, Houston Texans (26)
Jeromey Clary, San Diego Chargers (25) – Restricted FA
Nick Cole, Philadelphia Eagles (25)
Willie Colon, Pittsburgh Steelers (26)
Ryan Cook, Minnesota Vikings (26)
Tyson Clabo, Atlanta Falcons (28)
Harvey Dahl, Atlanta Falcons (28)
Cornell Green, Oakland Raiders (33)
Rex Hadnot, Cleveland Browns (27)
Ben Hamilton, Denver Broncos (32)
Justin Hartwig, Pittsburgh Steelers (30)
Stephon Heyer, Washington Redskins (25) – Restricted FA
Richie Incognito, St. Louis Rams (26)
Jon Jansen, Washington Redskins (33)
Charlie Johnson, Indianapolis Colts (25)
Nick Kaczur, New England Patriots (30)
Chris Kuper, Denver Broncos (26)
Deuce Lutui, Arizona Cardinals (26)
Stephen Neal, New England Patriots (32)
Rudy Niswanger, Kansas City Chiefs (26)
Donald Penn, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (26)
Chester Pitts, Houston Texans (30)
Manuel Ramirez, Detroit Lions (26) – Restricted FA
Rob Sims, Seattle Seahawks (25)
Chris Spencer, Seattle Seahawks (27)
Jason Spitz, Green Bay Packers (26)
Adam Terry, Baltimore Ravens (27)
Jeremy Trueblood, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (26)
Bobbie Williams, Cincinnati Bengals (32)
Marshal Yanda, Baltimore Ravens (24)

2010 NFL Free Agents: OL

huh? and huh?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

Wait a minute. You guys mean to tell me that we'll win more games by drafting an O-lineman in the first round instead of a QB? We can address our O-line in free-agency. Lineman are a dime a dozen, franchise QB's aren't. How many more franchise QB's do we have to pass before someone realizes that we can't win a Superbowl without a Superbowl QB. Here's list of available O-lineman in free-agency.


Jahri Evans, New Orleans Saints (26)
Jahri Evans is continuing to grade out as the team’s best run-blocking linemen week after week. The Saints have done a nice job of efficiently running the ball through the middle and on the right side of the line. His continual high level of play and positive, team-first attitude should translate to a high-end offensive guard contract at year’s end. Expect the Saints, who have nothing but positive things to say towards Evans, to richly reward him for his hard work and production.

Logan Mankins, New England Patriots (27)
Logan Mankins has been a very consistent player for the Patriots since he was drafted. That type of consistency is difficult to match, but with free agency inflating the value of offensive guards, the Patriots may end up letting him walk if the price isn’t right. They drafted a couple interior linemen last year and have to use some of their free money to re-sign other players. From what Mankins has said, he wants to stay on this winning franchise, but he could be one of the top players available next offseason.

Man how nice would a line look with the following? Bold denotes returning starter.

LT - Marcus McNeil
LG - Derrick Dockery
C - Kevin Mawae
RG - Jhari Evans
RT - 2nd Round Pick or Winston Justice

Levi Jones, Edwin Williams, young Center Prospect, and Heyer as backups.

Virtually impossible I know, but a man can dream can't he? Now if there was only a way to get a CBA in place that had no salary cap but still allowed young guys like McNeil to hit the open market