Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

When i was typing those things out i was thinking to myself that the Redskins fit the bill on all of them.

Number 1 is debatable though, as both Shanahans seem to be micro managing control freaks and McNabb was forced to do some things he didnt want to. When people debate Manning vs Brady the biggest argument for Manning is his always his "intangibles" or coach on the field stuff. If he isnt giving the absolute freedom to do things exactly how he wants to hes just a 36 year old QB on a new team.

I dont think anyone would be stupid enough to try to get Manning to do things any differently then he has in the past. Thats part of why i like the idea of Manning; Kyle would instantly become Peyton's assistant.

I have no idea who would be the coach if any. But as good as Manning is im pretty sure he has had a really good support system around him, probably one he helped develop. It may have been needed less in the later years but you got to get everyone in sync and on the same page.

When he goes to another team and has to teach everyone how to do things his way, build chemistry w the offense, recover and go through growing pains after being out a year i think he will be smart enough to bring over a few authority figures to implement his system his way. Not sure if anyone would get replaced, maybe personal guys or assistant type guys. Maybe just FA vet camp bodies.

100% agree, but McNabb would have worked out had he atleast remembered the play calls and if he would wear a wrist band but he didn't then it might have worked out. But I think it had just as much to do with him not hitting his WR's.

I think PM will do better to remember the plays and would probably do whatever it took to make the team better.

[Swarley]

I'm sure it's been said, but let's not compare bringing Manning in, who is no doubt fired up like never before, to when we brought McNabb in. The only way I see Manning going the way of McNabb is due to injury. Peyton commands too much respect and is too much of an attention to detail guy to let anything get out of hand.

[CrackBack]

Originally Posted by GreekSkin

Peyton commands too much respect and is too much of an attention to detail guy to let anything get out of hand.

This is the biggest intangible that PM brings. The Redskins franchise and locker room have been a joke for a long time. With ridiculous FA signings... I was beginning to think players came to the skins for a big paycheck and an understanding that mediocrity was accepted. Peyton is the biggest competitor in the game and his presense in the locker room will make every single player better and change the personality of the team... Finally.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by GreekSkin

I'm sure it's been said, but let's not compare bringing Manning in, who is no doubt fired up like never before, to when we brought McNabb in. The only way I see Manning going the way of McNabb is due to injury. Peyton commands too much respect and is too much of an attention to detail guy to let anything get out of hand.

Plus he'd become the whipping boy of the family if he mailed it in. It's not like little brother Eli has the disadvantage in the number of of Super Bowl wins...

[CultBrennan59]

Oh my God...get ready for my smack down people.


For those of you out there that think Peyton Manning coming here will (whether or not we get Wayne and Garcon) make us instant contenders in the east...WAKE THE F#$K UP!!!!

I am so enraged right now.

Have we not seen this before over the years?!?!?!?!?!

Its like we're all trying to find the great big name free agent to sign to make up for all or most of the bad big name free agent signings we've had in the past.

People then come up with "Oh thats the old management, this new management is different..." well this new management is still being judged, because this new management is also being viewed as the same management that decided to trade away a 2nd and another pick for Donovan McNabb, a guy who didn't even finish out the season with us.
People here always do the old "yeah ___ ____ may not work out, but ____ ____ is different..." No its not much different because we've seen this movie before in the past.

There are people on this board that truly believe that if we sign Peyton Manning (the greatest QB of all time IMO) we will be instant contenders if he stays healthy.

So apparently we decide to look at the positives and ignore the negatives, which, oh, by the way, got us in trouble with Albert Haynesworth a few years ago.

People are here saying "Oh Albert is soo good; he's the best DT today!; he'll make our whole team good; he's a pro bowler; With him and orakpo watch out we could go far with our DL, possibly like the giants"

But buried in all that was a few smart fans here saying things like "I don't know he only played good when it was his contract year; he never stayed healthy; he got into fights with coaches and teammates; he stomped on a guys head and has a lot of character issues; he's going to be another Dana Stublefield signing"...

well same thing with signing manning

positives
+ he's one of the greatest QB's of all time
+ he's better than what we have now at QB

negatives
- he could be hit right in the neck and never play a down of football again or even be paralyzed.
- hes been in one offense his whole life
- hes had some great skill players around him in Indy
- he isn't mobile getting out of the pocket/he doesn't fit the mike shanahan zone blocking bootleg offense
- he is at the end of his career
- he wants $$$ and he knows we pay.
- we are out of the draft for a potential franchise QB like RG3

Guys it will be a blessing in disguise when Peyton doesn't sign here, trust me.

[WestCoastSkinsFan]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Oh my God...get ready for my smack down people.


For those of you out there that think Peyton Manning coming here will (whether or not we get Wayne and Garcon) make us instant contenders in the east...WAKE THE F#$K UP!!!!

I am so enraged right now.

Have we not seen this before over the years?!?!?!?!?!

Its like we're all trying to find the great big name free agent to sign to make up for all or most of the bad big name free agent signings we've had in the past.

People then come up with "Oh thats the old management, this new management is different..." well this new management is still being judged, because this new management is also being viewed as the same management that decided to trade away a 2nd and another pick for Donovan McNabb, a guy who didn't even finish out the season with us.

There are people on this board that truly believe that if we sign Peyton Manning (the greatest QB of all time IMO) we will be instant contenders if he stays healthy.

So apparently we decide to look at the positives and ignore the negatives, which, oh, by the way, got us in trouble with Albert Haynesworth a few years ago.

People are here saying "Oh Albert is soo good; he's the best DT today!; he'll make our whole team good; he's a pro bowler; With him and orakpo watch out we could go far with our DL, possibly like the giants"

But buried in all that was a few smart fans here saying things like "I don't know he only played good when it was his contract year; he never stayed healthy; he got into fights with coaches and teammates; he stomped on a guys head and has a lot of character issues; he's going to be another Dana Stublefield signing"...

well same thing with signing manning

positives
+ he's one of the greatest QB's of all time
+ he's better than what we have now at QB

negatives
- he could be hit right in the neck and never play a down of football again or even be paralyzed.
- hes been in one offense his whole life
- hes had some great skill players around him in Indy
- he isn't mobile getting out of the pocket/he doesn't fit the mike shanahan zone blocking bootleg offense
- he is at the end of his career
- he wants $$$ and he knows we pay.
- we are out of the draft for a potential franchise QB like RG3

Guys it will be a blessing in disguise when Peyton doesn't sign here, trust me.

I understand that the injury is a concern, but this is Peyton Manning we're talking about. Look what happened to the Colts without him. Put a healthy Peyton back in the line-up, and they're a playoff team every year.

Injury aside, just think back to the 2010 season. If anyone said THEN that we might be able to get him as a free agent, would anyone here have said no? I'm really not sure we would have had any issues at all.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

well same thing with signing manning

positives
+ he's one of the greatest QB's of all time
+ he's better than what we have now at QB

negatives
- he could be hit right in the neck and never play a down of football again or even be paralyzed.
- hes been in one offense his whole life
- hes had some great skill players around him in Indy
- he isn't mobile getting out of the pocket/he doesn't fit the mike shanahan zone blocking bootleg offense
- he is at the end of his career
- he wants $$$ and he knows we pay.
- we are out of the draft for a potential franchise QB like RG3

Guys it will be a blessing in disguise when Peyton doesn't sign here, trust me.

First of all, your first negative is not a valid point. On more than one occasion, a doctor has already came out to say that Peyton Manning has no more of a chance in getting a career ending injury as any of the other players on the field. The only issue was him getting his throwing strength back, and obviously that is coming back rather quickly.

Secondly, any team that picks Manning up is going to obviously have to tweak their offense to what Peyton Manning was doing in Indy. The Redskins offense is more of a vertical offense than what people think it is. Which brings me to my next point. How mobile was Rex Grossman? Not very. And he was able to run the offense (despite his charitable style of playing.) I don't put that much emphasis on being a mobile QB, but a quarterback than can scramble while still looking to complete a pass down field. Peyton can still do the latter, he doesn't have to be a Mike Vick. Next, I do seem to remember an article (and don't ask me where it is at this point) where it sounded as if Manning would be willing to work for an incentive based contract. We even had a decision about the pros and cons to that here a few months ago. Lastly, the Redskins or any other team SHOULD draft a developmental QB in waiting. So, even if that team only got two good seasons out of Manning, they would have a quarterback to step in and lead the team.

It really all comes down to how much it would cost to bring Manning in. If the emphasis is on an incentive based contract that works in the favor of both the team and the player, and the Redskins are still able to draft a Tannehill or Cousins (Cousins is probably more likely in this scenario) then I believe it costs us less. Certainly the Redskins would be able to keep their draft picks and continue building a solid team since they would have the luxury of an instant franchise QB. This is MUCH different from McNabb. McNabb was washed up by the time the 'skins picked him up. Manning does still have a few very good years left.

In my opinion, however, I think this might just be a ploy to show the Rams that the Redskins have options and will not settle on giving up such a high price for RGIII. I believe in the end, the Redskins still move up to draft RGIII, but don't give up as much to do so.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Oh my God...get ready for my smack down people.


For those of you out there that think Peyton Manning coming here will (whether or not we get Wayne and Garcon) make us instant contenders in the east...WAKE THE F#$K UP!!!!

I am so enraged right now.

Have we not seen this before over the years?!?!?!?!?!

Its like we're all trying to find the great big name free agent to sign to make up for all or most of the bad big name free agent signings we've had in the past.

People then come up with "Oh thats the old management, this new management is different..." well this new management is still being judged, because this new management is also being viewed as the same management that decided to trade away a 2nd and another pick for Donovan McNabb, a guy who didn't even finish out the season with us.
People here always do the old "yeah ___ ____ may not work out, but ____ ____ is different..." No its not much different because we've seen this movie before in the past.

There are people on this board that truly believe that if we sign Peyton Manning (the greatest QB of all time IMO) we will be instant contenders if he stays healthy.

So apparently we decide to look at the positives and ignore the negatives, which, oh, by the way, got us in trouble with Albert Haynesworth a few years ago.

People are here saying "Oh Albert is soo good; he's the best DT today!; he'll make our whole team good; he's a pro bowler; With him and orakpo watch out we could go far with our DL, possibly like the giants"

But buried in all that was a few smart fans here saying things like "I don't know he only played good when it was his contract year; he never stayed healthy; he got into fights with coaches and teammates; he stomped on a guys head and has a lot of character issues; he's going to be another Dana Stublefield signing"...

well same thing with signing manning

positives
+ he's one of the greatest QB's of all time
+ he's better than what we have now at QB

negatives
- he could be hit right in the neck and never play a down of football again or even be paralyzed.
- hes been in one offense his whole life
- hes had some great skill players around him in Indy
- he isn't mobile getting out of the pocket/he doesn't fit the mike shanahan zone blocking bootleg offense
- he is at the end of his career
- he wants $$$ and he knows we pay.
- we are out of the draft for a potential franchise QB like RG3

Guys it will be a blessing in disguise when Peyton doesn't sign here, trust me.

A smart redskins fan. Great teams are built through the draft.

[Defensewins]

This is an emotional subject for all Redskins fans. Some of the posts on this thread are hilarious.
Look at the Colts this past year with out PManning.
Imagine NE without Brady. Imagine Saints with out Brees.
There are few certainties in the NFL, but these three Qb's along with Aaron Rodgers make their teams instant SB contenders and when healthy are 100% the real deal.
All this negative angry talk about PManning's injury or age makes me laugh. Because if you are going to throw around what ifs about Manning, you can do the same for any player. There have been more busts than PMannings type success at the top of the draft. If we spend a treasure trove on RGIII and he badly tears up his knee for a second time in his young career, that would not be good either. I am not saying that will happen, but Manning comes free, other than his salary. We would not lose a 2012 #1 and #2 and a 2013 #1 or #2. The draft is a crap shoot and the best QB of the 2012 class could very well be taken after the top two QB's. I know I do not need to remind everyone that Drew Brees was drafted in the second round, Tom Brady was drafted in the sixth and Aaron Rodgers was the 24th pick in his draft. But I will.
I'm sorry. But I am not sorry!

[los panda]

but he looked good in television commercials

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by los panda

but he looked good in television commercials

cut that meat! Cut that meat!

[Jontrem]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

cut that meat! Cut that meat!

Jerry! Jerry! You're my favorite Insurance Adjuster!

[SBXVII]

PM everyday of the week. There is no issue of can he take a hit, 3 doctors in the specialty field have said yes he can. Montana had the same surgery and played fine after his taking many hits while with KC. The issue is will be get his feeling back to throw? And that has been put to rest with not only multiple people saying he's throwing and throwing pretty good but a video showing him throwing which everyone has admitted its him, his agent, PM, and even his old GM.

"IF" there is any issue of his health put a claus in the contract which enables the team to. It him. Simple. The team will be picking up WR help no matter who they decide on and OL help. PM alone makes this team better and his knowledge is a thousand times more valuable then RGIII. Plus PM would be able to help work with a young Tannehill or Weeden if need be.

[redskins5044]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Oh my God...get ready for my smack down people.


For those of you out there that think Peyton Manning coming here will (whether or not we get Wayne and Garcon) make us instant contenders in the east...WAKE THE F#$K UP!!!!

I am so enraged right now.

Have we not seen this before over the years?!?!?!?!?!

Its like we're all trying to find the great big name free agent to sign to make up for all or most of the bad big name free agent signings we've had in the past.

People then come up with "Oh thats the old management, this new management is different..." well this new management is still being judged, because this new management is also being viewed as the same management that decided to trade away a 2nd and another pick for Donovan McNabb, a guy who didn't even finish out the season with us.
People here always do the old "yeah ___ ____ may not work out, but ____ ____ is different..." No its not much different because we've seen this movie before in the past.

There are people on this board that truly believe that if we sign Peyton Manning (the greatest QB of all time IMO) we will be instant contenders if he stays healthy.

So apparently we decide to look at the positives and ignore the negatives, which, oh, by the way, got us in trouble with Albert Haynesworth a few years ago.

People are here saying "Oh Albert is soo good; he's the best DT today!; he'll make our whole team good; he's a pro bowler; With him and orakpo watch out we could go far with our DL, possibly like the giants"

But buried in all that was a few smart fans here saying things like "I don't know he only played good when it was his contract year; he never stayed healthy; he got into fights with coaches and teammates; he stomped on a guys head and has a lot of character issues; he's going to be another Dana Stublefield signing"...

well same thing with signing manning

positives
+ he's one of the greatest QB's of all time
+ he's better than what we have now at QB

negatives
- he could be hit right in the neck and never play a down of football again or even be paralyzed.
- hes been in one offense his whole life
- hes had some great skill players around him in Indy
- he isn't mobile getting out of the pocket/he doesn't fit the mike shanahan zone blocking bootleg offense
- he is at the end of his career
- he wants $$$ and he knows we pay.
- we are out of the draft for a potential franchise QB like RG3

Guys it will be a blessing in disguise when Peyton doesn't sign here, trust me.

I could make a list of positives and negatives on RG3 too, and any player that plays football is one hit away from being paralyzed.

[redskins forever]

all of you all are forgetting one thing with mcnabb running the offence we had the 8th ranked passing attack and pretty much the same recievers. now let see we have and above average run game going to get better recievers and have a defense that can play with the lead how do you beat a team like that.