D. Hall is our lone Pro Bowl selection

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I agree with a lot of this. Overall, I think Los and Hall actually complement each other very well, and even though our D had some rough moments, I hope we keep both. Hall has outstanding hands and QB's know that if he's in the area they need to be careful with their throws. That's an asset in Pass Defense if it makes the QB hesitate or re-scan. Los, may not make QB's fear throwing his way, but he can keep his receivers covered very well. This can and has caused problems for opposing QBs and there is a reason PB was getting thrown on as much as he was. Out of all the defensive positions, I would think CB is not one we should be spending a lot of draft or FA effort on.

Me too, I think they make a great tandem. Great posts by you and PT, agree 1000 percent. If we could get more consistent pressure on the QB, I think int numbers would increase for both. I believe the only thing lack is consistent play at the FS position. If we could get a fast, all-over-the-field type player at free, Id put Hall, Los, and Landry up against any secondary in the league.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Me too, I think they make a great tandem. Great posts by you and PT, agree 1000 percent. If we could get more consistent pressure on the QB, I think int numbers would increase for both. I believe the only thing lack is consistent play at the FS position. If we could get a fast, all-over-the-field type player at free, Id put Hall, Los, and Landry up against any secondary in the league.

I was sure for awhile Khareem Moore was going to be that guy. After his injury the wheels seem like they just fell off. I still miss ST. HTTR <3 #21

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

I was sure for awhile Khareem Moore was going to be that guy. After his injury the wheels seem like they just fell off. I still miss ST. HTTR <3 #21

Me too, I thought he looked really good last year & would step up as a starter. Instead, he looked timid and/or lost much of the time.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Me too, I think they make a great tandem. Great posts by you and PT, agree 1000 percent. If we could get more consistent pressure on the QB, I think int numbers would increase for both. I believe the only thing lack is consistent play at the FS position. If we could get a fast, all-over-the-field type player at free, Id put Hall, Los, and Landry up against any secondary in the league.

That's exactly what I was trying to say to NC_Skins yesterday.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I agree with a lot of this. Overall, I think Los and Hall actually complement each other very well, and even though our D had some rough moments, I hope we keep both. Hall has outstanding hands and QB's know that if he's in the area they need to be careful with their throws. That's an asset in Pass Defense if it makes the QB hesitate or re-scan. Los, may not make QB's fear throwing his way, but he can keep his receivers covered very well. This can and has caused problems for opposing QBs and there is a reason PB was getting thrown on as much as he was. Out of all the defensive positions, I would think CB is not one we should be spending a lot of draft or FA effort on.

Just by the total # of targets, I would argue that no one is thinking twice about throwing at Hall. Not to say everyone is Jay Cutler out there -- targeting him for the sake of targeting him -- but he's averaging between 7 and 8 targets per game as a Redskins. Revis and Asomugha, by comparison, usually see about 2 or 3.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Just by the total # of targets, I would argue that no one is thinking twice about throwing at Hall. Not to say everyone is Jay Cutler out there -- targeting him for the sake of targeting him -- but he's averaging between 7 and 8 targets per game as a Redskins. Revis and Asomugha, by comparison, usually see about 2 or 3.

I guess, I would clarify, that he's not a lockdown type, so yes qb's will throw his way, but that also is because Los is closer to a lockdown type (now give us his stats, cuz I don't have any and am just thinking out loud). I know QBs will throw at Hall, but they most certainly look at him as more of a threat to intercept a ball than Los is.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Just by the total # of targets, I would argue that no one is thinking twice about throwing at Hall. Not to say everyone is Jay Cutler out there -- targeting him for the sake of targeting him -- but he's averaging between 7 and 8 targets per game as a Redskins. Revis and Asomugha, by comparison, usually see about 2 or 3.

GT, you've also said that the cover 2 scheme the skins ran most of the year left pretty big gaps between the cb & safeties. Late in the year you said it improved & I think that showed in the defense's overall improvement, there were fewer easy completions in the seems.

Hall could be more of a shutdown corner IMO, but the defense isn't set up that way & as discussed here, he is a gambler. I think he could have his best years ahead; he's a guy that had to mature as a pro, after being MeAngelo in college & his early years w/ATl. Although I was against signing him, we may be getting the best out of him.

[44ever]

Im sending one to NC_Skins. ASAP...

[warriorzpath]

... and Hall really proved that he belonged in the Pro Bowl, despite of what some of you think. He must have just gotten lucky again with the strip and touchdown and the interception... or the quarterbacks were just attacking him more so he got more chances at making plays.

Yeah, I guess not respecting him works... just ask Cutler.

[GTripp0012]

Here, to me is the argument against Hall's INTs:

His 11 Washington Redskin picks (excluding the Hail Mary vs. Kolb) came against the following QBs:

2008 Week 11 -- Romo (w/broken thumb)
2008 Week 12 -- E. Manning
2009 Week 1 -- E. Manning
2009 Week 4 -- J. Johnson
2009 Week 5 -- Delhomme
2009 Week 10 -- C. Simms
2010 Week 7 -- Cutler
2010 Week 7 -- Cutler
2010 Week 7 -- Cutler
2010 Week 7 -- Cutler
2010 Week 8 -- Stafford

My point is: it's not like the Redskins just haven't played great quarterbacks. We've seen Schaub, Peyton, Vick, Ryan, Rodgers, Romo, Eli, and McNabb while Hall's starting. He managed to get Eli twice (and Eli's no slouch though he will throw it up for grabs), but in the rest of the games against the best passers Hall was, in his best moments, a non-factor.

I mean, Carlos Rogers only has four picks in the last three seasons, but he's also gotten Warner and Schaub once each (with a horrible drop against Peyton). Against the most prolific QBs we've faced, Rogers -- not Hall -- has been the better playmaker.

[skinsguy]

For Pete's Sake, enough with the stupid stats. Why can't people just stop belly-aching about DeAngelo Hall and support the guy. Geez...he was voted to the Pro Bowl and won MVP honors in the game. He's a Redskin. He represented our team, and you people are going to sit here and tell me that you're going to find something wrong with each and every little positive thing that comes our way? Ridiculous! Just plain ridiculous! I understand the bad vibes against guys like Hanesworth, but this?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

For Pete's Sake, enough with the stupid stats. Why can't people just stop belly-aching about DeAngelo Hall and support the guy. Geez...he was voted to the Pro Bowl and won MVP honors in the game. He's a Redskin. He represented our team, and you people are going to sit here and tell me that you're going to find something wrong with each and every little positive thing that comes our way? Ridiculous! Just plain ridiculous! I understand the bad vibes against guys like Hanesworth, but this?

You can't be disappointed in Albert Haynesworth. He's a Redskin and he needs our support at all times. Criticism is not the answer to everything.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

You can't be disappointed in Albert Haynesworth. He's a Redskin and he needs our support at all times. Criticism is not the answer to everything.

Nope, completely different situation and you should know the difference. If A.H. truly wants to stay with the Redskins and help the team win by being a team player, he's got my full support. However, you would have to be a complete idiot not to see that isn't the case with AH. Even if he didn't want to be here, but kept his mouth shut, played hard all year long, and got the Pro Bowl nod, I would have supported him. But, that was not the case, so you're comparing apples to oranges.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Nope, completely different situation and you should know the difference. If A.H. truly wants to stay with the Redskins and help the team win by being a team player, he's got my full support. However, you would have to be a complete idiot not to see that isn't the case with AH. Even if he didn't want to be here, but kept his mouth shut, played hard all year long, and got the Pro Bowl nod, I would have supported him. But, that was not the case, so you're comparing apples to oranges.

Well, you're right that it's not the same situation, but it's exactly the same principle of supporting a Redskins player that may or may not always deserve unconditional support.

I still support DeAngelo Hall and Albert Haynesworth pretty equally based on the idea that they are still Redskins. Neither is one of my five favorite Redskins, but they are both integral parts of the team of the last two seasons. Some people have moralized why Hall should be untouchable in terms of criticism amongst fans, but that's an opinion they hold. Hall is not untouchable, even amongst his supporters.

My point was I don't like arbitrary lines drawn over who I can and cannot support. My point was not that there aren't very good reasons for being critical of Haynesworth (there are). There are also very good reasons for being critical of DHall's effort. And while their negatives couldn't be more different in nature, it would be an inconsistent principle to suggest that one isn't deserving of criticism for his on-field acts, and the other is.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

You can't be disappointed in Albert Haynesworth. He's a Redskin and he needs our support at all times. Criticism is not the answer to everything.

lol...like McNabb?

Big difference between Hall and Haynesworth...Hall gives 100%, Haynesworth 40-45%