Redskins vs. Bengals Post Game Reaction

[SmootSmack]

When we win after showing pistol it's all great, but when we lose after showing the triple option it's doom and gloom.

I'm sure the Redskins have plenty for more tricks up their sleeves and I have no problem with using the triple option yesterday. Games in December won't matter anyway if you can't win in September.

I think the offense we ran in the 2nd half yesterday helped spread the defense out, helped our OL (to an extent) and stretching the field was/is key to the success of this team.

My beef against it is that I kept waiting for it to set up something "conventional" which I'm not sure I totally saw. Well, correction, I think the Hankerson PI is what I was waiting for. And when it failed, they didn't go back to it.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

When we win after showing pistol it's all great, but when we lose after showing the triple option it's doom and gloom.

I'm sure the Redskins have plenty for more tricks up their sleeves and I have no problem with using the triple option yesterday. Games in December won't matter anyway if you can't win in September.

I think the offense we ran in the 2nd half yesterday helped spread the defense out, helped our OL (to an extent) and stretching the field was/is key to the success of this team.

My beef against it is that I kept waiting for it to set up something "conventional" which I'm not sure I totally saw. Well, correction, I think the Hankerson PI is what I was waiting for. And when it failed, they didn't go back to it.

All this trickeration is fine and dandy. But honestly, can we win and be an elite team playing offense like this? NFL QB's either make it or they don't by making plays from the pocket. Kyle has got to tone it down with all the option stuff.

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

All this trickeration is fine and dandy. But honestly, can we win and be an elite team playing offense like this? NFL QB's either make it or they don't by making plays from the pocket. Kyle has got to tone it down with all the option stuff.

ie Andy Dalton

[jdc65]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

When we win after showing pistol it's all great, but when we lose after showing the triple option it's doom and gloom.

I'm sure the Redskins have plenty for more tricks up their sleeves and I have no problem with using the triple option yesterday. Games in December won't matter anyway if you can't win in September.

I think the offense we ran in the 2nd half yesterday helped spread the defense out, helped our OL (to an extent) and stretching the field was/is key to the success of this team.

My beef against it is that I kept waiting for it to set up something "conventional" which I'm not sure I totally saw. Well, correction, I think the Hankerson PI is what I was waiting for. And when it failed, they didn't go back to it.

It's doom and gloom because the team is unnecessarily exposing their future on a gimmick offense that has absolutely no chance for continued success. It's not building towards anything, there's nowhere to go with it. It's worse than play action because it takes too long, it's worse than rolling out because the Qb has to focus on 3 different things while also avoiding the inevitable pounding he will surely receive. Spreading the field is fine, but do it with receivers, formations, and well designed playcalls. Teach the kid something constructive.


There is nothing to setup with it but more option plays and misdirection. The defense could care less about misdirection if they can get a free shot at the Qb. Let em have 10 yards, we'll take out their Qb. It's a 1 time gimmick that only works because no one would expect such foolishness with your star player. Tebow is different, he is expendable plus he is freaking huge to take some punishment. Newton can run the read, but even he gets slammed. He is way bigger than Griffin, and that is already getting old for Carolina.

I can all but guarantee every team in the league will take notice of this, and will be laughing their a$$es off behind closed doors. The Buccaneers will be taking head shots if they try that crap next week. Now he is going to get hit even when he doesn't have the freaking ball. Can we expect the Swinging Gate with Griffin next?

They are supposed to be teaching him how to be an NFL quarterback. Yes, they can use his natural abilities, but his safety is paramount. It should be building blocks, one step leading to another. This is a gimmick and a desperation ploy because the offensive line is a joke, and Kyle has no excuses now for ineptitude. They might have drawn it up at halftime on the chalkboard because they had no answers. They clearly didn't practice it sufficiently because it looked so haphazard.

Why do you think Coughlin was so upset about the kneel down? Because he knows he has to keep his Qb healthy. It's coaching 101.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by jdc65

It's doom and gloom because the team is unnecessarily exposing their future on a gimmick offense that has absolutely no chance for continued success. It's not building towards anything, there's nowhere to go with it. It's worse than play action because it takes too long, it's worse than rolling out because the Qb has to focus on 3 different things while also avoiding the inevitable pounding he will surely receive. Spreading the field is fine, but do it with receivers, formations, and well designed playcalls. Teach the kid something constructive.


There is nothing to setup with it but more option plays and misdirection. The defense could care less about misdirection if they can get a free shot at the Qb. Let em have 10 yards, we'll take out their Qb. It's a 1 time gimmick that only works because no one would expect such foolishness with your star player. Tebow is different, he is expendable plus he is freaking huge to take some punishment. Newton can run the read, but even he gets slammed. He is way bigger than Griffin, and that is already getting old for Carolina.

I can all but guarantee every team in the league will take notice of this, and will be laughing their a$$es off behind closed doors. The Buccaneers will be taking head shots if they try that crap next week. Now he is going to get hit even when he doesn't have the freaking ball. Can we expect the Swinging Gate with Griffin next?

They are supposed to be teaching him how to be an NFL quarterback. Yes, they can use his natural abilities, but his safety is paramount. It should be building blocks, one step leading to another. This is a gimmick and a desperation ploy because the offensive line is a joke, and Kyle has no excuses now for ineptitude. They might have drawn it up at halftime on the chalkboard because they had no answers. They clearly didn't practice it sufficiently because it looked so haphazard.

Why do you think Coughlin was so upset about the kneel down? Because he knows he has to keep his Qb healthy. It's coaching 101.

One of the better posts I've read here in a long time.

[aircoryell]

Originally Posted by jdc65

It's doom and gloom because the team is unnecessarily exposing their future on a gimmick offense that has absolutely no chance for continued success. It's not building towards anything, there's nowhere to go with it. It's worse than play action because it takes too long, it's worse than rolling out because the Qb has to focus on 3 different things while also avoiding the inevitable pounding he will surely receive. Spreading the field is fine, but do it with receivers, formations, and well designed playcalls. Teach the kid something constructive.


There is nothing to setup with it but more option plays and misdirection. The defense could care less about misdirection if they can get a free shot at the Qb. Let em have 10 yards, we'll take out their Qb. It's a 1 time gimmick that only works because no one would expect such foolishness with your star player. Tebow is different, he is expendable plus he is freaking huge to take some punishment. Newton can run the read, but even he gets slammed. He is way bigger than Griffin, and that is already getting old for Carolina.

I can all but guarantee every team in the league will take notice of this, and will be laughing their a$$es off behind closed doors. The Buccaneers will be taking head shots if they try that crap next week. Now he is going to get hit even when he doesn't have the freaking ball. Can we expect the Swinging Gate with Griffin next?

They are supposed to be teaching him how to be an NFL quarterback. Yes, they can use his natural abilities, but his safety is paramount. It should be building blocks, one step leading to another. This is a gimmick and a desperation ploy because the offensive line is a joke, and Kyle has no excuses now for ineptitude. They might have drawn it up at halftime on the chalkboard because they had no answers. They clearly didn't practice it sufficiently because it looked so haphazard.

Why do you think Coughlin was so upset about the kneel down? Because he knows he has to keep his Qb healthy. It's coaching 101.

To me, this post reeks of misdirected frustration. This is not a "gimmick" offense as you put it. And there is absolutely no evidence to substantiate your conclusion that it has no chance for "continued success". On the contrary, everything points to exactly the opposite.
What you're suggesting is to put Robert in a pro style offense under center (In Baylor he took ZERO snaps under center) and magically all those hits he's taking will go away. Did you watch the Rex and Beck take a pounding last year?
How you came to the conclusion that Kyle showed "ineptitude" is beyond me since you failed to explain that. In one sentence you call the offensive line a joke, and immediately take a shot at Kyle on the next one for running an offense to minimize it's exposure. :confused:
Kyle, in my opinion, is doing a masterful job helping Robert transition from his Baylor offense into a pro style offense. Letting him have some time under center while still running what he feels comfortable with to keep the points coming on the board.
Kyle has never been, is, or will be the problem. We've scored 30 points the last 3 games and are the 2nd ranked offense in the entire league for gods sake! If you think Kyle is the issue you are completely way off base.

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by jdc65
It's doom and gloom because the team is unnecessarily exposing their future on a gimmick offense that has absolutely no chance for continued success. It's not building towards anything, there's nowhere to go with it. It's worse than play action because it takes too long, it's worse than rolling out because the Qb has to focus on 3 different things while also avoiding the inevitable pounding he will surely receive. Spreading the field is fine, but do it with receivers, formations, and well designed playcalls. Teach the kid something constructive.


There is nothing to setup with it but more option plays and misdirection. The defense could care less about misdirection if they can get a free shot at the Qb. Let em have 10 yards, we'll take out their Qb. It's a 1 time gimmick that only works because no one would expect such foolishness with your star player. Tebow is different, he is expendable plus he is freaking huge to take some punishment. Newton can run the read, but even he gets slammed. He is way bigger than Griffin, and that is already getting old for Carolina.

I can all but guarantee every team in the league will take notice of this, and will be laughing their a$$es off behind closed doors. The Buccaneers will be taking head shots if they try that crap next week. Now he is going to get hit even when he doesn't have the freaking ball. Can we expect the Swinging Gate with Griffin next?

They are supposed to be teaching him how to be an NFL quarterback. Yes, they can use his natural abilities, but his safety is paramount. It should be building blocks, one step leading to another. This is a gimmick and a desperation ploy because the offensive line is a joke, and Kyle has no excuses now for ineptitude. They might have drawn it up at halftime on the chalkboard because they had no answers. They clearly didn't practice it sufficiently because it looked so haphazard.

Why do you think Coughlin was so upset about the kneel down? Because he knows he has to keep his Qb healthy. It's coaching 101.


Good stuff

[Evilgrin]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

Originally Posted by jdc65
It's doom and gloom because the team is unnecessarily exposing their future on a gimmick offense that has absolutely no chance for continued success. It's not building towards anything, there's nowhere to go with it. It's worse than play action because it takes too long, it's worse than rolling out because the Qb has to focus on 3 different things while also avoiding the inevitable pounding he will surely receive. Spreading the field is fine, but do it with receivers, formations, and well designed playcalls. Teach the kid something constructive.


There is nothing to setup with it but more option plays and misdirection. The defense could care less about misdirection if they can get a free shot at the Qb. Let em have 10 yards, we'll take out their Qb. It's a 1 time gimmick that only works because no one would expect such foolishness with your star player. Tebow is different, he is expendable plus he is freaking huge to take some punishment. Newton can run the read, but even he gets slammed. He is way bigger than Griffin, and that is already getting old for Carolina.

I can all but guarantee every team in the league will take notice of this, and will be laughing their a$$es off behind closed doors. The Buccaneers will be taking head shots if they try that crap next week. Now he is going to get hit even when he doesn't have the freaking ball. Can we expect the Swinging Gate with Griffin next?

They are supposed to be teaching him how to be an NFL quarterback. Yes, they can use his natural abilities, but his safety is paramount. It should be building blocks, one step leading to another. This is a gimmick and a desperation ploy because the offensive line is a joke, and Kyle has no excuses now for ineptitude. They might have drawn it up at halftime on the chalkboard because they had no answers. They clearly didn't practice it sufficiently because it looked so haphazard.

Why do you think Coughlin was so upset about the kneel down? Because he knows he has to keep his Qb healthy. It's coaching 101.


Good stuff

The actual points produced by the offense say different.

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by Evilgrin

The actual points produced by the offense say different.

Empty stats.

[aircoryell]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

Empty stats.

Points are empty? Please enlighten me!

[Carl Nicks]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

I can all but guarantee every team in the league will take notice of this, and will be laughing their a$$es off behind closed doors. The Buccaneers will be taking head shots if they try that crap next week. Now he is going to get hit even when he doesn't have the freaking ball. Can we expect the Swinging Gate with Griffin next?

Why do you think Coughlin was so upset about the kneel down? Because he knows he has to keep his Qb healthy. It's coaching 101.

Honestly, I think Gerald McCoy might kill RGIII. He's a very good young player, but he looks like a sack of sticks (wearing dreads).

[aircoryell]

Originally Posted by Carl Nicks

Honestly, I think Gerald McCoy might kill RGIII. He's a very good young player, but he looks like a sack of sticks (wearing dreads).

Let's see if you still feel like that next week after he drops 30 on your ass...

[los panda]

Originally Posted by Carl Nicks

Honestly, I think Gerald McCoy might kill RGIII. He's a very good young player, but he looks like a sack of sticks (wearing dreads).

not dreads, braids

[Carl Nicks]

Originally Posted by los panda

not dreads, braids

Touche.

We're expecting Freeman to finally put it together this week and have a great game through the air. This is the same thing we say after every game.

With Orakpo out, who does your pass rushing? I wonder if Shenanigans will send all 7 DBs at me. I wonder if he'll cry when they still don't get to Josh.

I know I'll cry when Josh throws an incompletion despite all that.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by aircoryell

To me, this post reeks of misdirected frustration. This is not a "gimmick" offense as you put it. And there is absolutely no evidence to substantiate your conclusion that it has no chance for "continued success". On the contrary, everything points to exactly the opposite.
What you're suggesting is to put Robert in a pro style offense under center (In Baylor he took ZERO snaps under center) and magically all those hits he's taking will go away. Did you watch the Rex and Beck take a pounding last year?
How you came to the conclusion that Kyle showed "ineptitude" is beyond me since you failed to explain that. In one sentence you call the offensive line a joke, and immediately take a shot at Kyle on the next one for running an offense to minimize it's exposure. :confused:
Kyle, in my opinion, is doing a masterful job helping Robert transition from his Baylor offense into a pro style offense. Letting him have some time under center while still running what he feels comfortable with to keep the points coming on the board.
Kyle has never been, is, or will be the problem. We've scored 30 points the last 3 games and are the 2nd ranked offense in the entire league for gods sake! If you think Kyle is the issue you are completely way off base.

maybe i just believe whatever the hell i read - but the original comment had me depressed and you have just lifted my spirits! - lol