Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

[mooby]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Thank you...it takes a group effort to keep this place from descending into total insanity lol.

Let me see if I can help pull it into total insanity here...

Honestly I think several people here have this misconception that you need to be the best team in the NFL with absolutely no holes in order to win the SB, when that's not often the case. Look at the Giants. Before the season if you had asked me I'd have said there's no way the Giants make the SB, let alone win it. But all they did was get hot at the right time and everything came together to make it happen for them. Same as it did 4 years ago.

If we have an elite qb like Manning that can run the offense smoothly and put up points, and our opportunistic defense can fix a couple things, I see no reason as to why we couldn't go on a playoff run. You just have to be hot and have everything come together at just the right time. Nobody was willing to give the Giants a chance until they were in the SB, and then the only reason people were saying they have a chance to win was because of their past history against the Pats.

Someone here (sorry, can't remember who) said that when you have an elite qb in place, it makes a lot of those other problems "disappear." I think that's definitely true. If Manning were here, considering the run game we could provide him and our solid yet unspectacular defense, I could easily see 10-6 or somewhere around there giving us the juice to get into the playoffs, and set us up for a run. Maybe not a SB run, but honestly in the NFL anything can happen.

[irish]

Originally Posted by TexSkins

Read the fine print. He wants to play for a Super Bowl contender

Yes. I can not see any scenario where PM says to himself "I have to play for the Redskins." The Skins are waaaaay too far away from being contenders and have no weapons for him to use. Manning is smart enough to recognize Washigton is just not a good option for him.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by mooby

Let me see if I can help pull it into total insanity here...

Honestly I think several people here have this misconception that you need to be the best team in the NFL with absolutely no holes in order to win the SB, when that's not often the case. Look at the Giants. Before the season if you had asked me I'd have said there's no way the Giants make the SB, let alone win it. But all they did was get hot at the right time and everything came together to make it happen for them. Same as it did 4 years ago.

If we have an elite qb like Manning that can run the offense smoothly and put up points, and our opportunistic defense can fix a couple things, I see no reason as to why we couldn't go on a playoff run. You just have to be hot and have everything come together at just the right time. Nobody was willing to give the Giants a chance until they were in the SB, and then the only reason people were saying they have a chance to win was because of their past history against the Pats.

Someone here (sorry, can't remember who) said that when you have an elite qb in place, it makes a lot of those other problems "disappear." I think that's definitely true. If Manning were here, considering the run game we could provide him and our solid yet unspectacular defense, I could easily see 10-6 or somewhere around there giving us the juice to get into the playoffs, and set us up for a run. Maybe not a SB run, but honestly in the NFL anything can happen.

All good points but even with PM this team is still pretty far away fro mthe Giants. You have a lot if that if this happens scenrios going on that quite honestly are not going to be fixed over night.

Now after the draft and FA, lets see then maybe this team is looking more like a polished turd, right now it is just a turd not diarrhea but a turd, maybe not even a smelly turd but definitely not a polished turd right now.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by mooby

Let me see if I can help pull it into total insanity here...

Honestly I think several people here have this misconception that you need to be the best team in the NFL with absolutely no holes in order to win the SB, when that's not often the case. Look at the Giants. Before the season if you had asked me I'd have said there's no way the Giants make the SB, let alone win it. But all they did was get hot at the right time and everything came together to make it happen for them. Same as it did 4 years ago.

If we have an elite qb like Manning that can run the offense smoothly and put up points, and our opportunistic defense can fix a couple things, I see no reason as to why we couldn't go on a playoff run. You just have to be hot and have everything come together at just the right time. Nobody was willing to give the Giants a chance until they were in the SB, and then the only reason people were saying they have a chance to win was because of their past history against the Pats.

Someone here (sorry, can't remember who) said that when you have an elite qb in place, it makes a lot of those other problems "disappear." I think that's definitely true. If Manning were here, considering the run game we could provide him and our solid yet unspectacular defense, I could easily see 10-6 or somewhere around there giving us the juice to get into the playoffs, and set us up for a run. Maybe not a SB run, but honestly in the NFL anything can happen.

I said that and so have some others. And I stand by that.

I think that you are right. Both the Giants and the Pats had some obvious holes in their rosters yet they played in the big dance. Why? In part because they had stellar QB play.

Our defense is not bad on the whole. Our running game is not bad on the whole. A big time QB makes us an instant contender - maybe not a SB winner, but a contender.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I said that and so have some others. And I stand by that.

I think that you are right. Both the Giants and the Pats had some obvious holes in their rosters yet they played in the big dance. Why? In part because they had stellar QB play.

Our defense is not bad on the whole. Our running game is not bad on the whole. A big time QB makes us an instant contender - maybe not a SB winner, but a contender.

I agree with that.
I bet our defense will be even better next year.
If we did have a happy/healthy Manning and a real #1 wide receiver I dont see why we couldnt hope to win 10+ games next year.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Also John Clayton said on SC a few Mins ago that Houston will not pursue Manning

Wow, what a bold declaration to think he'd stake his reputation on that.

[Ruhskins]

For some reason, people think that we are going to acquire Manning by giving up all of our draft picks and not adding anything during the offseason. Well I am sure people don't necessarily think that, but are definitely acting like it. The funny thing is that acquiring Manning would allow us to use our draft picks to get some solid players, including a project QB. Also, with Manning on board, wouldn't the likes of VJax, Bowe, or Colston want to come to the Skins and play with Manning?

If Manning comes here, he won't be coming alone. We could very well add a WR from the deep class of FAs this offseason. We could get a stud interior lineman (I keep hearing DeCastro is the best) in the middle/late first round, and add a whole bunch of quality players in the later rounds. And we could also add our QB of the future. We could hopefully replicate what Kurt Warner did for Arizona when he went to play for them (and Warner was thought of being done after having a poor showing with the Giants).

I am fine with trading up for RG3, but I know the team would need to spend a lot in free agency, since I am sure we would need to use a lot picks in a trade. I think in this situation, we would need to be ready for another year of growing pains.

Right now as it stands, we are not a contender or a playoff team. However, if we land Manning, one of the top FA WRs, and a quality first/second/third rounder rookies (including our QB of the future), we could very well be a playoff team next season and still have a lot of youth that will carry this team for years to come.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by mooby

Let me see if I can help pull it into total insanity here...

Honestly I think several people here have this misconception that you need to be the best team in the NFL with absolutely no holes in order to win the SB, when that's not often the case. Look at the Giants. Before the season if you had asked me I'd have said there's no way the Giants make the SB, let alone win it. But all they did was get hot at the right time and everything came together to make it happen for them. Same as it did 4 years ago.

If we have an elite qb like Manning that can run the offense smoothly and put up points, and our opportunistic defense can fix a couple things, I see no reason as to why we couldn't go on a playoff run. You just have to be hot and have everything come together at just the right time. Nobody was willing to give the Giants a chance until they were in the SB, and then the only reason people were saying they have a chance to win was because of their past history against the Pats.

Someone here (sorry, can't remember who) said that when you have an elite qb in place, it makes a lot of those other problems "disappear." I think that's definitely true. If Manning were here, considering the run game we could provide him and our solid yet unspectacular defense, I could easily see 10-6 or somewhere around there giving us the juice to get into the playoffs, and set us up for a run. Maybe not a SB run, but honestly in the NFL anything can happen.

This unspectacular offense could make Manning "disappear" too. Unless we upgrade the O-Line he wouldn't last two weeks in the NFC-E.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

This unspectacular offense could make Manning "disappear" too. Unless we upgrade the O-Line he wouldn't last two weeks in the NFC-E.

Manning had a really good offensive line early on, but in the last couple of seasons they were not that great. To me it seems that over the past couple of seasons, a lot of pundits kept saying that the Colts needed to upgrade their line. For some reason, the Colts never did, and when they did they had a couple of misfires in their picks.

A healthy Manning can pick apart any defense with just about any offensive line. As I mentioned before, if we sign him we have the draft ammunition to pick up good offensive linemen in the draft and there are some nice options in free agency. Finally, I would dare say that we probably have a better running game than anything the Colts have had in the past two/three seasons. And we've had a good running game during times when teams would stack the box and dare us to throw. You think with Manning under center they would do that?

[skinsfaninok]

Have u guys thought that maybe just maybe guys like Manning and Brady can make the lines look good too? It works both ways

[celts32]

Originally Posted by mredskins

It amazes still how delusion some fans are as to where this team is. If you beleive we are a PM away from a Super Bowl then you need to put the bottle down.

I be surprised if we are a wild card team next year.

You underestimate a healthy PM. If he is not good enough to make the redskins a contender then explain why the Colts are 2-14 without him and a Super bowl contender with him?

The Redskins are not just any QB upgrade away from being a Super bowl contender but they may be the right QB away.

[Dirtbag59]

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@BillLekas @Redskins Absolutely in play for Manning. Still convinced it will be a disaster, but I guess there is a small chance proven wrong

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

A healthy Manning can pick apart any defense with just about any offensive line. As I mentioned before, if we sign him we have the draft ammunition to pick up good offensive linemen in the draft and there are some nice options in free agency. Finally, I would dare say that we probably have a better running game than anything the Colts have had in the past two/three seasons. And we've had a good running game during times when teams would stack the box and dare us to throw. You think with Manning under center they would do that?

I agree with you 100%. For those here who think our team is way too bad to attract manning, or that this team would not benefit much just from adding a quarterback, i say youre out of your minds.

the colts with Manning historically win about 12 games year - no matter who the coach is. manning makes average receivers, average running backs, and below average offensive linemen look GREAT. Receivers, running backs, and tight ends who leave indy never amount to anything. Manning turns his supporting cast into playmakers, not the other way around. Manning, no matter how humble he may seem, knows this. He won't discount a team like washington because we dont have enough "playmakers."

Without Manning, the Colts are 2-14. Without Manning, we are 5-11. Without Manning, we were outscored by our oppenents an average of 3.125 points per game. Think about that. Even with "no receivers," "no offenive line," "a weak running game," and a quarterack who averages atleast 2 interceptions per game at critical junctures, we were within about one field goal from being able to win most of our games. Does anyone here think that, on average, Manning would not atleast give us one more touchdown and one less turnover than grossman per game? even if he's not 100% the manning of old?

Say what you want about our talent and coaching staff, but we are most certainly a better coached and more talented team than the Colts. We have a defense that would not constantly put him in holes, as his defense historically did in indy. In my opinion,if Manning came here, we would be a 12 win team immediately. We could WIN while we groom a young QB for the future. There is ZERO downside to signing a healthy peyton manning. We should do whatever we need to to acquire him.

[skinsfaninok]

So much for that
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...wn-in-houston/

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by mooby

Let me see if I can help pull it into total insanity here...

Honestly I think several people here have this misconception that you need to be the best team in the NFL with absolutely no holes in order to win the SB, when that's not often the case. Look at the Giants. Before the season if you had asked me I'd have said there's no way the Giants make the SB, let alone win it. But all they did was get hot at the right time and everything came together to make it happen for them. Same as it did 4 years ago.

If we have an elite qb like Manning that can run the offense smoothly and put up points, and our opportunistic defense can fix a couple things, I see no reason as to why we couldn't go on a playoff run. You just have to be hot and have everything come together at just the right time. Nobody was willing to give the Giants a chance until they were in the SB, and then the only reason people were saying they have a chance to win was because of their past history against the Pats.

Someone here (sorry, can't remember who) said that when you have an elite qb in place, it makes a lot of those other problems "disappear." I think that's definitely true. If Manning were here, considering the run game we could provide him and our solid yet unspectacular defense, I could easily see 10-6 or somewhere around there giving us the juice to get into the playoffs, and set us up for a run. Maybe not a SB run, but honestly in the NFL anything can happen.

I dig your optimism mooby. Our defense, at its best, is nothing like the best defenses in the league, including the Giants'. That defense is pretty inconsistent over the course of an entire season but when they start to click they're easily a top 3 defense. At our very, very best we might break the top 10...but it's a stretch.