Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'm borrowing from Smootsmack:

Reasons for Peyton Manning to want to come here

-He respects Shanahan and knows Shanahan is an established, Super Bowl winning head coach

-Redskins have the cap flexibility to be active in free agency and the draft picks to be active in the draft

-He (supposedly) prefer the East Coast

-He enjoys the spotlight

-He's very tight with an executive in the organization

That last point is an interesting one which I did not know. Thanks.

To the draft point, do you think Peyton would be alright with us drafting a QB in the first or second round? I have no doubt he is a professional but drafting a QB that high would say we don't expect you to start in a year or two. IMO Peyton wants the starting nod for another three to four years.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'd keep the picks and sign Manning.

I think this is what's going to happen

[MTK]

Originally Posted by hooskins

That last point is an interesting one which I did not know. Thanks.

To the draft point, do you think Peyton would be alright with us drafting a QB in the first or second round? I have no doubt he is a professional but drafting a QB that high would say we don't expect you to start in a year or two. IMO Peyton wants the starting nod for another three to four years.

If it's someone like Tannehill who is a bit of a project and would benefit from sitting for a few years, I don't think he would have a problem with it.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by biffle

1. There is no recent trade nor example from the value chart that makes your trade likely.

Eli Manning's cost to the Giants - 2004 1st, 2004 3rd, 2005 1st, 2005 5th...to move up from #4 to #1 with a difference of 1200 points. (forced trade)

Michael Vick's cost to the Falcons - 2001 1st round, 2001 3rd rounder, 2002 3rd rounder and Tim Dwight. (Chargers failed to reach contract with Vick so traded)....to move from #5 to #1 with a difference of 1,000 points.


Ryan Leaf's cost to the Chargers- 1998 1st rounder, 1998 2nd rounder, 1999 1st rounder, Eric Metcalf, Patrick Sapp....to move up from #3 to #2 with a difference of 400 points.

Jon Gruden traded to the Tampa Bay Bucs for 2 first rounders.


Two of those trades came from unusual circumstances and both by the same team. In fact, the only team that seems to trade top 5 picks is the Chargers. One was a forced trade, the other came about because they couldn't reach a deal with Vick prior to the draft. Both of those circumstances lowered the value of the pick. That and the fact that huge contracts came with rookies back then. Now that rookie contracts are affordable, those high picks mean even more now.


So with a 1,000 point difference between the #2 and #6, you have to come up with the points to make up for that.

1st- 1600 points
2nd - 520 points
3rd - 240 points
4th- 93 points
5th- 39 points
6th- 25 points
7th- 12.2 points



Even if you added all these picks you would only come up with 929.2 points. Now granted, you wouldn't want to go all Ditka and give up your total draft so you would have to bargain to keep some of this years draft while sacrificing some of next years picks.

1st, 2nd, 4th = 2,213 points You would have to include next years #1 to make up that extra 400 points and possible a later rounder. Remember now, next years picks doesn't have the value that they do in the present.

1st, 3rd,4th= 1,933 points. Would cost you next years #1 and another mid round pick to make up.


I didn't just pull that scenario from fantasy land.

[2BIG2BSKINNY]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

If it's someone like Tannehill who is a bit of a project and would benefit from sitting for a few years, I don't think he would have a problem with it.

I think this is a more feasible outcome...

If it takes to much to move up then get FA QB (Maybe Manning but does not have to) and get a young thrower to develop in 2-3 year...

So we go from the mess at QB to a outlook in the future of good QB play

Also it keeps the focus on the draft while getting young and most importantly Better

My Take... Slow and steady

There are at least options...

[Chief X_Phackter]

I'm sure it has been said somewhere in the thousands of quarterback posts, but what would it take to add Manning? Are we talking picks or straight cash?

Assuming he would even want to be here...

[redskins5044]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I'm sure it has been said somewhere in the thousands of quarterback posts, but what would it take to add Manning? Are we talking picks or straight cash?

Assuming he would even want to be here...

Manning wouldn't cost any draft picks.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

If it's someone like Tannehill who is a bit of a project and would benefit from sitting for a few years, I don't think he would have a problem with it.

I can definitely get behind Manning/Tannehill. Tannehill is projected by many as a potential franchise QB if given time and Shanny is rumored to like him. Problem with this scenario is getting him will not be easy. He's a reach at #6 and he will be gone by the time our 2nd pick comes up. And i am not okay with picking whatever other QB happens to be available in the 2nd round.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by celts32

I can definitely get behind Manning/Tannehill. Tannehill is projected by many as a potential franchise QB if given time and Shanny is rumored to like him. Problem with this scenario is getting him will not be easy. He's a reach at #6 and he will be gone by the time our 2nd pick comes up. And i am not okay with picking whatever other QB happens to be available in the 2nd round.

On the bright side the cost to move up in the 2nd round or the end of the first is nothing compared to the cost of moving from the 6th pick to the first or second overall.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by celts32

I can definitely get behind Manning/Tannehill. Tannehill is projected by many as a potential franchise QB if given time and Shanny is rumored to like him. Problem with this scenario is getting him will not be easy. He's a reach at #6 and he will be gone by the time our 2nd pick comes up. And i am not okay with picking whatever other QB happens to be available in the 2nd round.

If we traded down from #6 to the 12-15 range, we likely could still get Tannehill and have extra picks to boot.

Manning + Tannehill + extra picks = WIN

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Lotus

If we traded down from #6 to the 12-15 range, we likely could still get Tannehill and have extra picks to boot.

Manning + Tannehill + extra picks = WIN

Possible but who is there at #6 that will cause someone to make that move up? Only person i can envision is RG3 but then i would want to stay there and draft him.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by mooby

On the bright side the cost to move up in the 2nd round or the end of the first is nothing compared to the cost of moving from the 6th pick to the first or second overall.

It would likely cause us next years #1 pick to move up from our #2 to somewhere in the 20's to take Tannehill. And if I am giving up next years #1 then i want RG3.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by celts32

Possible but who is there at #6 that will cause someone to make that move up? Only person i can envision is RG3 but then i would want to stay there and draft him.

Claiborne, Blackmon, Richardson, Coples, Rieff, Floyd...one of these guys could fall to 6 and have someone jonesing for them. It just takes one smitten team.

[musicmaster45]

I voted for RG3 the thing is its all about the deal. If the Rams try to trade rape us then no.... Yes i want a young quarterback and yes RG3 would be great but were not good enough to have a draft of nobody. We need another solid draft and a guy like RG3 to be relevant. I'm actually hoping for a trade down with anyone to either draft Tannehill or Weeden. Yes they won't be at good at first but we need just be patient and develop them.

[whistler]

It's not as simple as asking to choose between RGIII and Peyton. The real question is which package would you rather have?


Which would you choose?


Package A:

1) RGIII


Package B:
1) Peyton Manning (while using 3rd rounder to draft Kirk Cousins)
2) Reily Reiff -OT (1st)
3) Alfonso Denard-CB (2nd)
4) Lucas Nix -OG (4th)

5) Manti Te'o - ILB (2013 1st)
6) Orhian Johnson -SS (2013 4th)

This is not an acccurate assesment of what is needed to get RGIII. If RGIII is picked by the skins they could still have their remaining picks this year under one scenario.
1) RGIII
2)2012 2nd rounder
3)2012 3rd rounder
4)2012 4th rounder
5)2012 5th rounder
6)2012 6th rounder
Would all still be available for the skins

They would probably have to surrender the 2012 1st, 2013 1st, and possibly Orakpo to make this happen, But in no way would they have to surrender the whole 2012 draft to get RGIII, that is ridiculous. No one is considering that Orakpo has possibly peaked and is very tradable at this point. Jeff Fisher would probably see this deal as 3 first rounders for the no.2 pick this year. Very doable.