ESPN: Teams that are helped/hurt by the new salary cap proposal

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

This would not be on a team by team basis, it would be based on the league as a whole like, it is now. And even then, yes players should be "penalized" by getting lower salaries if profits are down. Likewise they should be rewarded when profits go up. It's not fair that the owners and taxpayers pay for stadiums out of their pockets and the players don't have to contribute anything towards it. Players need stadiums to play in.

Players have no direct impact on profits. Revenue, yes, but not profits. Their salaries should not be tied to a number that can be manipulated and affected by ownership decisions.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Players have no direct impact on profits. Revenue, yes, but not profits. Their salaries should not be tied to a number that can be manipulated and affected by ownership decisions.

Sorry I have to disagree here. If the team wins....,fans are happy and spend more ...or don't mind spending more should I say then the fans of a team that well......sucks.So yeah the players do affect profit.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Sorry I have to disagree here. If the team wins....,fans are happy and spend more ...or don't mind spending more should I say then the fans of a team that well......sucks.So yeah the players do affect profit.

What you are saying is still a matter of revenue, not profit. If the owner chooses to build a practice field on the moon, it doesn't matter how good the team is or how much the fans spend, that team will lose money.

Players affect revenue. Profit is a different animal.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Lotus

What you are saying is still a matter of revenue, not profit. If the owner chooses to build a practice field on the moon, it doesn't matter how good the team is or how much the fans spend, that team will lose money.

Players affect revenue. Profit is a different animal.

Nope, Business 101 if you have a good product customers want and you supply that in a matter that is costly and efficent ....you will make a profit.Without the players there is no game to sell ,ergo no revenue, ergo no profit.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Nope, Business 101 if you have a good product customers want and you supply that in a matter that is costly and efficent ....you will make a profit.Without the players there is no game to sell ,ergo no revenue, ergo no profit.

Players = Profit? No. Players = Revenue. As you stated, profit requires revenue and good management ...

Player generated revenues + Good Management = Profit

Player generated revenues + Bad Management = Loss

Players get there cut of the revenue before management gets to touch it. And watch ... it doesn't affect the formula

1/2 Player generated revenues + Good Management = Profit

1/2 Player generated revenues + Bad Management = Loss

Originally Posted by Giantone

LOL...ok, think of the players as..."lemonade"....without them there is no profit.

No... w/out the players, or the lemonade, there is no revenue. Revenue, however, does not guarrantee profit. It simple business 101.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Nope, Business 101 if you have a good product customers want and you supply that in a matter that is costly and efficent ....you will make a profit.Without the players there is no game to sell ,ergo no revenue, ergo no profit.

Go back to Business 101. You continue to confuse the concepts of revenue and profit. Profit includes expenses, revenue does not. You use the concepts too interchangeably.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Go back to Business 101. You continue to confuse the concepts of revenue and profit. Profit includes expenses, revenue does not. You use the concepts too interchangeably.

Haven't confused a thing jr.players generate the revenue by playing the game,so if they don't play and don't generate revenue how much profit do you make ....if they don't play?It's minds like yours that put the housing market the way it is today.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Haven't confused a thing jr.players generate the revenue by playing the game,so if they don't play and don't generate revenue how much profit do you make ....if they don't play?It's minds like yours that put the housing market the way it is today.

Okay, that's step one... players generate revenue. Without revenue there is no profit. Everyone agrees with you there. It's step two with which you seem to be having difficulty ....

Now watch carefully, stay with me on this ... I know it's hard for you as moving beyond a one variable equation seems to send you into system shock ....

If you have revenue and use to much money on dumb expenses you have (wait for it) ... LOSS. On the other hand, if you have revenue and don't use money on dumb expenses, you have PROFIT.

See how the revenue generated can result in EITHER profit OR loss? While it is true that without players there can be no profits, it is also true that player generated revenues don't guarrantee profits.

I'll stop now. We wouldn't want to overload that single little neuron running around in your head. <sarcasm font off>

Is this what you are trying to say: but for the owners decisions, investments, and marketing, the players wouldn't be generating 9 billion in revenue. If so, I would agree generally with that statement. Still, as a player, I wouldn't want my income tied to the profit/loss statement but rather simply a cut of the gross revenues before the owners start deducting their investments.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Sorry I have to disagree here. If the team wins....,fans are happy and spend more ...or don't mind spending more should I say then the fans of a team that well......sucks.So yeah the players do affect profit.

You're not clear on your financial terms. Money coming in is REVENUE. Players can affect revenue.

Profits are what is remaining of the revenue after the owner spends on operating expenses and whatever he desires beyond that. The profit figure is determined by the owner's spending habits, decisions on things like the stadium and if he wants his own TV/Radio/etc. Players have no affect or influence on profit.

Originally Posted by Giantone

Nope, Business 101 if you have a good product customers want and you supply that in a matter that is costly and efficent ....you will make a profit.Without the players there is no game to sell ,ergo no revenue, ergo no profit.

"Business 101" must be the only class you took. :cheeky-sm

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

You're not clear on your financial terms. Money coming in is REVENUE. Players can affect revenue.

:cheeky-sm

Yup I'm sure,if player can affect revnue then they affect profit,without them you don't have a product to sell ...so no revenue.You guys sound like the Wall Street guys from the HBO movie to big to fail....with the way you guys are thinking the league would collapse in a year.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Sorry I have to disagree here. If the team wins....,fans are happy and spend more ...or don't mind spending more should I say then the fans of a team that well......sucks.So yeah the players do affect profit.

If we were talking about opinions, you would have the right to disagree. We're talking about facts here and you're just wrong/mistaken.

Do you wish to continue your disagreement on finances with an accountant? I'm honestly bored with repeating myself.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

If we were talking about opinions, you would have the right to disagree. We're talking about facts here and you're just wrong/mistaken.

Do you wish to continue your disagreement on finances with an accountant? I'm honestly bored with repeating myself.

Eron had accounts also and look where that is? What I want is for you and the other rocket scientist to tell me how you generate profit from revenue....if there is no revenue coming in ie....no product to sell?