rebuilding or FA frenzy?

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by skinster

I disagree. You can go without great guys at any position and win with the exception of qb. The qb is the end all be all, and if you don't have one your screwed. Granted your right in that you need to surround him with the right pieces to put him in a position to win, but if you have those pieces (many of them) and you don't have that QB, you are screwed.

I don't want to be "more competitive" than one might think. What does that even mean? we go 8-8? 9-7? Might as well go 0-16 because all teams that has no shot at winning the superbowl are the same in my eyes. And we get some middle grade draft picks that will ensure that we stay in medicority forever? talent needs to be infused on to our team, and the only way for that to happen is to get higher draft picks.

Okay and if so through the rebuilding process with your so called "middle grade draft picks" we don't do well because we are young and inexperienced and lose a lot of games so be it. That is part of the rebuilding process. But you make it sound like losing would be on purpose, a priority. That is just ignorant and asinine if you ask me.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Okay and if so through the rebuilding process with your so called "middle grade draft picks" we don't do well because we are young and inexperienced and lose a lot of games so be it. That is part of the rebuilding process. But you make it sound like losing would be on purpose, a priority. That is just ignorant and asinine if you ask me.

I think its ignorant to think otherwise (even though I am aware I am in the vast minority). I can think of very few teams that were consistently average teams and then suddenly broke through to become top tier. These mediocre teams seem to all stay mediocre untill they suddenly drop to the bottom. I could go on for a while to tell you all the examples, but I'm sure you can look them up yourself. Being mediocre is delaying the inevitable of being terrible. Which is what seems to be happening to us now. Being kind of bad is not going to fix the problem. A true superstar needs to emerge. I think the lions and the rams are on their way to becoming legitimate teams. We need that superstar, and the best way to get him is with the first pick. Its very rare that Aaron Rodgers will fall into your lap in the 20's. The picks at the top of the 2nd/3rd round won't hurt either.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by skinster

I think its ignorant to think otherwise (even though I am aware I am in the vast minority). I can think of very few teams that were consistently average teams and then suddenly broke through to become top tier. These mediocre teams seem to all stay mediocre untill they suddenly drop to the bottom. I could go on for a while to tell you all the examples, but I'm sure you can look them up yourself. Being mediocre is delaying the inevitable of being terrible. Which is what seems to be happening to us now. Being kind of bad is not going to fix the problem. A true superstar needs to emerge. I think the lions and the rams are on their way to becoming legitimate teams. We need that superstar, and the best way to get him is with the first pick. Its very rare that Aaron Rodgers will fall into your lap in the 20's. The picks at the top of the 2nd/3rd round won't hurt either.

Let's look at the last three Super Bowl winners, shall we?

Packers - did not draft their QB in the top ten. Did not hit bottom, draft a QB high, and then win it all.
Steelers - did not draft their QB in the top ten. Last won fewer than 6 games in 1988. Did not hit bottom, draft a QB high, and then win it all.
Saints - their franchise QB was not even a first rounder. Hit bottom several years ago but used the pick to draft a role-player RB. Did not hit hit bottom, draft a QB high, and then win it all.

Therefore your theory is full of crap.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Let's look at the last three Super Bowl winners, shall we?

Packers - did not draft their QB in the top ten. Did not hit bottom, draft a QB high, and then win it all.
Steelers - did not draft their QB in the top ten. Last won fewer than 6 games in 1988. Did not hit bottom, draft a QB high, and then win it all.
Saints - their franchise QB was not even a first rounder. Hit bottom several years ago but used the pick to draft a role-player RB. Did not hit hit bottom, draft a QB high, and then win it all.

Therefore your theory is full of crap.

I'm pretty sure I said in my previous post that its rare for a top flight qb to drop to the late first round for the packers, the packers were smart to pick him, but lucky that he dropped that far. They lucked out there. Plus we don't have Ted Thompson drafting for us.

Roethlessberger was 11 if I remember correctly. He's a tweener mid/high pick. Plus we don't dick lebeau or anywhere near the pieces on defense that the steelers have.

The next time a drew brees hits the FA market, yes I say we pounce on him immediately. But it is pretty unrealistic that is going to happen anytime soon.

Any team with a qb that escaped the first round just got lucky. QB's are too important. If they really believed in him, they wouldn't mess around.

But all of this is besides the point. Andrew Luck is John Elway. He is a can't miss prospect. This opportunity doesn't come along every year. If we miss out on him by a couple of wins, every redskins fan will look back on this year five years from now wondering how good we could be if we had Luck.

I don't know why anybody sees a difference between 1-15 and 6-10. Either way we suck, and have no chance of being truely competitive in this league. This is a lost season, and if you think otherwise, you are in denial.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by skinster

I'm pretty sure I said in my previous post that its rare for a top flight qb to drop to the late first round for the packers, the packers were smart to pick him, but lucky that he dropped that far. They lucked out there. Plus we don't have Ted Thompson drafting for us.

Roethlessberger was 11 if I remember correctly. He's a tweener mid/high pick. Plus we don't dick lebeau or anywhere near the pieces on defense that the steelers have.

The next time a drew brees hits the FA market, yes I say we pounce on him immediately. But it is pretty unrealistic that is going to happen anytime soon.

Any team with a qb that escaped the first round just got lucky. QB's are too important. If they really believed in him, they wouldn't mess around.

But all of this is besides the point. Andrew Luck is John Elway. He is a can't miss prospect. This opportunity doesn't come along every year. If we miss out on him by a couple of wins, every redskins fan will look back on this year five years from now wondering how good we could be if we had Luck.

I don't know why anybody sees a difference between 1-15 and 6-10. Either way we suck, and have no chance of being truely competitive in this league. This is a lost season, and if you think otherwise, you are in denial.

You missed the point: recent history shows that you don't have to pick a QB at #1 to win a Super Bowl.

Apply this lesson to next year and what we see is that some QB's in next year's draft other than Luck will be capable of winning a Super Bowl. We don't have to draft Luck to win it all.

Therefore we do not have to tank the season, as your factually incorrect and treasonous argument asserts.