Is it finally time to rebuild??

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I think the perceived downfall of Cooley has been greatly exaggerated. Even with last week's miserable first half he still has 72 catches on the year (2nd highest total of his career) and 796 yards (also 2nd highest total of his career). He also has 9 catches of over 20 yards, the most he's had since 2007.

These are good stats but nothing special, especially since Cooley is the first or second passing option. As the first or second option he should have over a 1000 yards and approach double digit touchdowns. Cooley just isn't capable of those numbers, not here anyway.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

These are good stats but nothing special, especially since Cooley is the first or second passing option. As the first or second option he should have over a 1000 yards and approach double digit touchdowns. Cooley just isn't capable of those numbers, not here anyway.

Not sure why you're hating on the guy. As Matty pointed out, he's still putting up very solid numbers and at 28 is still in his prime. You're so convinced Davis is better- let me ask you- given his track record this year, do you really think Shanahan would hesitate to bench Cooley for a better player?

Cooley isn't an elite TE, but he's definitely well above average, and to call him the 4th or 5th best TE in the division is just silly. Boss isn't better. Neither is Celek (who has an MVP candidate at QB and isn't doing a whole lot). Witten is better than Cooley, but IMO that's about it in the NFC East.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Not sure why you're hating on the guy. As Matty pointed out, he's still putting up very solid numbers and at 28 is still in his prime. You're so convinced Davis is better- let me ask you- given his track record this year, do you really think Shanahan would hesitate to bench Cooley for a better player?

Cooley isn't an elite TE, but he's definitely well above average, and to call him the 4th or 5th best TE in the division is just silly. Boss isn't better. Neither is Celek (who has an MVP candidate at QB and isn't doing a whole lot). Witten is better than Cooley, but IMO that's about it in the NFC East.

I am frustrated with him because he is killing drives. He had a horrible game against Jax but he has been dropping key balls (drive extending balls) all year. He is becoming a problem instead of a solution, he isn't getting any younger and he is overpaid. From my viewpoint, Davis is always open (Rex missed an easy TD to him last game) and is a younger, cheaper alternative who would be just as productive if not more so.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

I am frustrated with him because he is killing drives. He had a horrible game against Jax but he has been dropping key balls (drive extending balls) all year. He is becoming a problem instead of a solution, he isn't getting any younger and he is overpaid. From my viewpoint, Davis is always open (Rex missed an easy TD to him last game) and is a younger, cheaper alternative who would be just as productive if not more so.

Honestly, you're digging at this point.

Yeah he's had some drops, but overall his numbers still stand up with the top guys in the league at his position. Plus he's been asked to block more than ever this year, which he's done a great job at too.

Just to note, Davis is a free agent after next year. So let's assume you trade away CC and FD steps in and has a nice year. Then he's going to be commanding a contact just as big, if not bigger, than the one CC has right now.

For the record I'm not against the idea of trading Cooley if the price is right. I'm just amazed/confused at how some of you talk down on the guy like he's trash and not a top TE.

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

For the record I'm not against the idea of trading Cooley if the price is right. I'm just amazed/confused at how some of you talk down on the guy like he's trash and not a top TE.

Agreed. I can't believe the Cooley bashing either.

Fred Davis sux. I hate him.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

Agreed. I can't believe the Cooley bashing either.

Fred Davis sux. I hate him.

Why the hate for FD? I wish we used him more.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Why the hate for FD? I wish we used him more.

Yeah the so called 2 TE sets never really came into form this year...FD needs to see more of a role.

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Why the hate for FD? I wish we used him more.

Ya something bugs me about this guy...

Maybe it was the Eagles game when FD was beating his chest, despite the fact that the CB/S ran him down from 20 yards back... o ya and we were down by 30 points...

Or maybe it was the ball he dropped in the endzone in the Bucs game...

And blocking is supposed to be his weakness!!

Maybe hate is a strong word but I'm just not that impressed. And how long are we supposed to wait for him to come of age? It's been 3 years already and he barely sees the field. I knew Cooley was here to stay after 6 games, just don't get that vibe from FD...

Hope he proves me wrong though.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

These are good stats but nothing special, especially since Cooley is the first or second passing option. As the first or second option he should have over a 1000 yards and approach double digit touchdowns. Cooley just isn't capable of those numbers, not here anyway.

It's really not common for TE's to top 1000 yards.

A little perspective here: his 72 catches is 2nd among all TE's behind Witten with 90.

His 796 yards is 3rd among all TE's behind Witten and V. Davis.

I think some of you are really undervaluing him.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

It's really not common for TE's to top 1000 yards.

A little perspective here: his 72 catches is 2nd among all TE's behind Witten with 90.

His 796 yards is 3rd among all TE's behind Witten and V. Davis.

I think some of you are really undervaluing him.

Good post. And those are good numbers for anyone in an offense as lame as ours. Imagine if we had any consistency with a coaching staff and QB? Cooley has already been to a few pro-bowls, and he'll probably see a few more before he's done in this league. Not spectacular, but a very, very solid player.

[bigmarley4]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Good post. And those are good numbers for anyone in an offense as lame as ours. Imagine if we had any consistency with a coaching staff and QB? Cooley has already been to a few pro-bowls, and he'll probably see a few more before he's done in this league. Not spectacular, but a very, very solid player.

Cooley is a much better blocker and twice as smart as Davis. I'd trade Davis in a heartbeat for anything above a 4th round pick.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by bigmarley4

Cooley is a much better blocker and twice as smart as Davis. I'd trade Davis in a heartbeat for anything above a 4th round pick.

I'd much rather do what we said we were going to do this past offseason and utilize more two tight end sets when it comes to the passing game. Certainly has worked well for New England. Then again Brady might be one of three QB's in the league that could make a wishbone offense work at the NFL level.