Rank the NFC East teams position by position....

Originally Posted by skins89moss

I agree I think ARE is better to play in the slot. I hope we will use ARE in a wild kat formation in the redzone or maybe short yardage. His ablity to pass the ball can open our offense up and give teams defenses more to prepare for.

I have no problem with giving Randle El a pass every now and then. I hope we dont run the Wildcat though because imo its way overrated and really makes the NFL look retarded. Ive read a couple times that Zorn doesnt like the Wildcat and im oh so happy. The Wildcat had its brief moment in the sun but in all honesty those plays are something any defense should stop. Looking at the stats week by week last year defenses chewed it up as the year went on. If im a defensive coordinator please put your RB or WR at QB as many times as possible. Any offense that doesnt put the ball in the QBs hands every snap to either hand it off or make a play with his arm makes little sense to me.

[diehardskin2982]

we have one of the top slot reciever in the game in Randle el and we miss use him. I hope we finally start using all the talent we have the right way

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

Who cares about all that winning % stuff? Hmm let me think. Oh snap. Winners do.

All im saying is for someone to tell me Eli is better than Romo is funny. He isnt better than Romo in anything. Yes Eli is a Super Bowl winning QB but hey so is Trent Dilfer.

Comparing Terry Bradshaw to Eli Manning is kinda stupid. For starters comparing a QB who played in the 1970s to a QB who plays in this era is laughable. Second, I realize Bradshaw might be overrated to a extent but hes a HOFer. Eli wont sniff the HOF unless hes brown nosing his brothers greatness.

I never said Eli was better. I just think when his team needed him to play his best he did. Overall I think Romo is a more talented player.

And I wasn't comparing Manning to Bradshaw, I just used Bradshaw as an example that he was never really a great passer, he was just great when his team really needed him to be. But I never compared the two.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

When someone calls a QB a streaky passer I have always found that to be a bad thing. Saying McNabb is a streaky passer is kinda perplexing when he has a 82-45-1 career record and has a 194-90 TD-INT ratio in the regular season. McNabb has also led his team to 5 conference championship games and one Super Bowl appearance.

I think McNabb is one of the top QB's in the NFL. I also think when it comes to passing he's streaky. He's hot and cold. I think most would agree w/ that statement. I don't think that's a bad thing. I think he's always been that way as a pure passer.

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I never said Eli was better. I just think when his team needed him to play his best he did. Overall I think Romo is a more talented player.

And I wasn't comparing Manning to Bradshaw, I just used Bradshaw as an example that he was never really a great passer, he was just great when his team really needed him to be. But I never compared the two.

I know you didnt. The post you quoted was the one I was using to compare Eli and Romo to another poster. I was just referring to why I brought out those stats.

As for Bradshaw I agree he may of never been a great passer so I understand why you brought him up to compare. I just didnt think it was the best comparison since Bradshaw really stepped up in big games and Eli overall hasnt. Yes Eli had a solid 2007 playoff run and won the Super Bowl with the Giants. I just think besides the wild card game against the Bucs he really didnt do anything great except play a safer game. Even then if certain defenders caught his wild throws the Giants wouldnt be world champs.

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think McNabb is one of the top QB's in the NFL. I also think when it comes to passing he's streaky. He's hot and cold. I think most would agree w/ that statement. I don't think that's a bad thing. I think he's always been that way as a pure passer.

Maybe in some games he has been streaky. To a certain extent all QBs go through certain moments. I just think there is a difference between Elis "streaky" and McNabbs "streaky".

[pick-ups]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

I know you didnt. The post you quoted was the one I was using to compare Eli and Romo to another poster. I was just referring to why I brought out those stats.

As for Bradshaw I agree he may of never been a great passer so I understand why you brought him up to compare. I just didnt think it was the best comparison since Bradshaw really stepped up in big games and Eli overall hasnt. Yes Eli had a solid 2007 playoff run and won the Super Bowl with the Giants. I just think besides the wild card game against the Bucs he really didnt do anything great except play a safer game. Even then if certain defenders caught his wild throws the Giants wouldnt be world champs.

Lets not forget that Eli has been one and done in 3 of his 4 attempts in the playoffs(twice at the hands of the Eagles).
The year before and after their SB run.
`05 vs Panthers 0-24
`06 vs Eagles 17-20
`08 vs Eagles 11-23

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think McNabb is one of the top QB's in the NFL. I also think when it comes to passing he's streaky. He's hot and cold. I think most would agree w/ that statement. I don't think that's a bad thing. I think he's always been that way as a pure passer.

I think it's a bad thing if you are trying to point out the eliteness of his quarterbacking, but McNabb is a valuable player despite his streakiness.

As is Campbell, just to throw his name in there somehow.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by pick-ups

Lets not forget that Eli has been one and done in 3 of his 4 attempts in the playoffs(twice at the hands of the Eagles).
The year before and after their SB run.
`05 vs Panthers 0-24
`06 vs Eagles 17-20
`08 vs Eagles 11-23

yeah, and were has that gotten you? Like it or not Eli brought out the best in his team ,he's dealt with more problems then any other QB on the list.Remeber we still beat Carolina even after losing Plax,name me one other QB on the list that has an MVP of the Super Bowl ....and I'll shut up.:yeahright

Originally Posted by Giantone

yeah, and were has that gotten you? Like it or not Eli brought out the best in his team ,he's dealt with more problems then any other QB on the list.Remeber we still beat Carolina even after losing Plax,name me one other QB on the list that has an MVP of the Super Bowl ....and I'll shut up.:yeahright

...ill go get his reservation for Canton. Im sure that one SB MVP Trophy will negate his 76.1 career QB rating. Because the way you keep hyping him up he must be Canton bound.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

...ill go get his reservation for Canton. Im sure that one SB MVP Trophy will negate his 76.1 career QB rating. Because the way you keep hyping him up he must be Canton bound.

Never said one word about HOF, just pointing out facts that others tend to forget.McNabb maybe he will go to the HOF but he has no ring, and well as for Romo............LOL...sorry,Campbell is still young...and as I said I like the kid,just give him an O line.

Originally Posted by Giantone

Never said one word about HOF, just pointing out facts that others tend to forget.McNabb maybe he will go to the HOF but he has no ring, and well as for Romo............LOL...sorry,Campbell is still young...and as I said I like the kid,just give him an O line.

Dude everyone knows Eli won the Super Bowl MVP. This whole thread thats all you have brought up.

The Canton comment was a joke since you keep bringing up Eli and SB MVP every post.

Dude if you think hes that good (ahead of Romo) because of one SB MVP award you really need to stop watching football. Eli is average at best and his stats prove it over his career.

Id really like to know out of the projected 32 starting QBs where you rank Eli because if you think hes better than Romo id like to see who else you think hes better than because of one SB MVP.

[DBUCHANON101]

Dude if you think hes that good (ahead of Romo) because of one SB MVP award you really need to stop watching football. Eli is average at best and his stats prove it over his career

What has Romo done? I dont think either is a top 10 QB.

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Dude if you think hes that good (ahead of Romo) because of one SB MVP award you really need to stop watching football. Eli is average at best and his stats prove it over his career

What has Romo done? I dont think either is a top 10 QB.

Im not saying Romo is great or anything. All im saying is one SB MVP award by Manning doesnt mean hes a better QB than Romo or anyone else who has way better numbers.

[diehard]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

Looking at the Redskins, Cowboys, Giants, and Eagles projected lineups as of today how would you rank these teams 1-4 position by position?

Heres my rankings....

QB - 1. Eagles 2. Cowboys 3. Giants 4. Redskins
I still think McNabb is the best QB in the NFC East. Romo is too up and down to be rated ahead of McNabb but he is better than both Manning and Campbell. I gave Eli a slight edge over Campbell just because of his playoff experience and SB ring. I do think Campbell can move up on this list if he can play well in a contract year.

RB - 1. Cowboys 2. Redskins 3. Eagles 4. Giants
Its really hard to rank the NFC East RBs. All four teams have talent and you could very easily put the Giants at #1. I put the Boys at the top because of their three headed monster of Barber, Jones, and Choice. I think the Cowboys will get back to the running game this year and it will be huge for them. I put the Skins at #2 because of Portis. When hes healthy and the offensive line shows a pulse hes probably one of the top 3 backs in the game. The combo of Westbrook and McCoy got the edge over Jacobs/Bradshaw/Andre Brown. I do think Andre Brown in a couple years will be a pretty good RB though.

WR/TE - 1. Eagles 2. Cowboys 3. Redskins 4. Giants
The Eagles get the top spot here because I think their trio of WRs Jackson/Curits/Maclin will be very explosive this year. I also like Celek as a TE who can make some plays. I think hes better than most people think. I put the Cowboys at 2 over the Redskins because I think their WR core is a little better. They both have a nice pair of TEs Witten/Bennett and Cooley/Davis and solid #1s Moss and Roy Dub. I just believe the progression of Thomas and Kelly right now cant match the play of players like Patrick Crayton and Miles Austin. I have the Giants at 4 but in a couple years they will be #1. Young talent alone in the draft in Nicks, Barden, and Beckum should be huge for the Giants down the road. The problem with the Giants is their lack of a #1 WR.

OL - 1. Eagles 2. Cowboys 3. Giants 4. Redskins
I love the additions the Eagles made to their offensive line this offseason adding Stacy Andrews and Jason Peters. The Cowboys have a very solid offensive line as do the Giants. I put the Skins at 4th just because of injuries that have occured yearly and the hole at RT.

DL - 1. Giants 2. Redskins 3. Cowboys 4. Eagles
I give the edge to the Giants with all the talent on their line. Osi, Tuck, Canty, Kiwanuka, Robbins, Cofield, Bernard, and Alford. You could build two defensive lines and be effective with that talent. The Redskins finally upgraded their defensive line with the additions of Haynesworth and Orakpo. The Cowboys are also very solid with Ratliff in the middle and Spears/Igor at the two end spots. The Eagles are at 4 but they still have alot of talent and the #4 ranking doesnt do them justice.

LB - 1. Cowboys 2. Giants 3. Redskins 4. Eagles
The Cowboys with Ware and Co. get the top spot. The Giants made some nice additions with Boley and Sintim. The Redskins have a hole at SLB but Fletcher is one of the top MLB in the game. The Eagles have solid LBs that do their job but I rate them 4th among LBs in the NFC East.

DB - 1. Redskins 2. Eagles 3. Cowboys 4. Giants
The Redskins have a very good defensive backfield with Rogers, Hall, Smoot, Landry, and Horton. The Eagles have a nice trio of CBs in Samuel, Brown and Hobbs. They lost Dawkins but still have solid Ss in Mikell and Demps. The Cowboys improved alot with the additions of draft picks DeAngelo Smith and Mike Mickens (who was a steal) at CB and Sensabaugh at S. Add that to Newman, Jenkins, Scandrick, and Hamlin and the Cowboys have nice talent and depth in the defensive backfield. The Giants have a nice pair of CBs in Ross and Webster and a nice young S in Kenny Phillips but they are 4th on my list.

SpT - 1. Cowboys 2. Giants 3. Eagles 4. Redskins
The Cowboys easily have the best SpT with players like Folk and McBriar. The Giants are solid with players like Tynes and Feagles. The Eagles could have found a nice kicker who could unseat Akers in Sam Swank. The Redskins are last with big question marks at kicker and returner.

HC - 1. Eagles 2. Giants 3. Redskins 4. Cowboys
The Eagles and Giants both have very good coaches in Reid and Coughlin who get the most out of their players. The Skins and Boys both have coaches who are on the hot seat imo in Zorn and Phillips.

OVERALL - 1. Eagles 2. Cowboys 3. Redskins 4. Giants
The Eagles up and down the board have enough talent to get to yet another NFC Championship Game. The Cowboys and Redskins both are teams who could make the playoffs. I think it will come down to QB play and coaching for them. The Giants have enough talent but I just see a couple question marks that might slow them down this year.

Great analysis BO!

Originally Posted by diehard

Great analysis BO!

Thanks dude. Im glad you enjoyed it.