Taylor to Return w/o Restructure or Paycut

[horny4zorny-nohomo]

if i got that much $ i would get atleast 5 sacks!

[GTripp0012]

I ultimately decided to vote for this decision.

I don't like that Vinny can't see a sunk cost. He probably should have taken longer to consider this move. But Taylor is owed no guaranteed money by this team, so his contract structure is advantageous for a player his age. Cutting him does not improve our team because he represents raw talent. It only opens up an opportunity to improve our team. And the free agent market doesn't appear to be as full as it did a week ago. There's no guarantee we could improve on Jason Taylor if we were to cut him.

Honestly, we probably could improve on him. But it would just cost us more money in future years, and Taylor is capable of giving us production, so long as Blache doesn't misuse him.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Getting diamonds in the roughs in the lower round happens, but it doesn't happen all the time. Yes, we could use that 6th round this year, but having a 2nd rounder is better. You're right, everything now is based on conjecture, hoping that JT has a good year. The same thing applies I would say for these lower round picks, you hope they work out, you don't expect them to.

True. Of course they don't take 8.5 million in cap space either. I guess that is my real problem with this. We could'nt have got him for 6mil? Were there other teams just waiting to throw 6 mil at him? He already said he didn't earn his money last year. Since he was overpaid last year could'nt we have offered him a little less this year for the good of the team? I hope he has a GREAT year. I hope we use him to the best of his abilities or this makes no sense whatsoever.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Yeah if all the "IFS" worked out it would be a great deal. IF it does then great. IF it don't, then , OH s**t.... That's my point. So far it's been all conjecture and no production. It is what it is. Do I think JT can still be productive? Yes. IF Blache uses him the correct way. Oops...there's that word again.

Its not like we were taking a huge gamble. It was a FREAK injury that could not have been predicted. Sure, there were risks involved in getting Taylor, but the risks were very slim. By all appearnces, he should have done well here. as to his being misused by Blache, hopefully Blache can come up with something better this year. Blache is not a good d-coordinator and hopefully he'll retire after this season so someone more aggressive and less loyal to aging under-performing veterance will replace him.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Its not like we were taking a huge gamble. It was a FREAK injury that could not have been predicted. Sure, there were risks involved in getting Taylor, but the risks were very slim. By all appearnces, he should have done well here. as to his being misused by Blache, hopefully Blache can come up with something better this year. Blache is not a good d-coordinator and hopefully he'll retire after this season so someone more aggressive and less loyal to aging under-performing veterance will replace him.

Let me make this clear. I have no beef with Taylor nor do I question his talent. If we use him to maximize his talents...fine. If not...the trade sucks...period. I just find it somewhat distressing that the season after we give up a couple of picks and 8.5 mil we're discussing how he should be used and whether he's worth it.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by 44ever

I think they want their moneys worth. And if JT is looking to break into acting he know he needs lots of exposure. And one way to get it is making the highlights. As far as Carter, that is a question better suited for SmootSmack as I honestly dont know. What I do know is if we want "Jason Taylor" we better let him play his position or he means nothing.

I agree. What do you think of Taylor at RDE, Carter to WLB, and McIntosh to SLB?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

I agree. What do you think of Taylor at RDE, Carter to WLB, and McIntosh to SLB?

Carter really struggled at LB in San Fran. Taylor at WLB would make more sense

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Its not like we were taking a huge gamble. It was a FREAK injury that could not have been predicted. Sure, there were risks involved in getting Taylor, but the risks were very slim. By all appearnces, he should have done well here. as to his being misused by Blache, hopefully Blache can come up with something better this year. Blache is not a good d-coordinator and hopefully he'll retire after this season so someone more aggressive and less loyal to aging under-performing veterance will replace him.

BHA u can't have it both ways... in one recent post u stated we typically have below-average talent on our roster and here u say Blache is a bad d-coordinator. Well if we really have below average talent (on d) and a bad coordinator how do we get to a 4th best overall rating?

... i tend to think our talent on d is above average slightly (very good secondary and average front 7 at least through last year) and our defensive coordinator does pretty well w/ what we've got but has made some serious errors. As GTripp has pointed out when we blitzed mostly last year the results were disastrous yet Blache didn't adjust quickly. Basically I'll say w/ a nice addition or two at OLB and the line (assuming we resign Hall) and if Blache learns from his flubs we'll continue to be a top 5 defense.

[Hamoskinz]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Let me make this clear. I have no beef with Taylor nor do I question his talent. If we use him to maximize his talents...fine. If not...the trade sucks...period. I just find it somewhat distressing that the season after we give up a couple of picks and 8.5 mil we're discussing how he should be used and whether he's worth it.

I think in hindsight, we will never get any benefit out of this trade. The trade looked good at the beginning considering JT's caliber, but the 2nd rd pick seemed high. I hope he 'explodes' in 09 to justify $8.5m we are giving him. I don't think he will be playing in '10 unless we offer him another $8.5m (I hope not). We traded for him so he can contribute immediately but he got injured (not his fault) but we still paid him $8.5m for 3 sacks and 21 tackles! That is BS but we have no choice but to pay the man. this year we have a choice, but we decided to bring him back to get some value out of this trade and whether it pans out or not, it will cost us another $8.5m.

I really hope it works out this year but overall, the dolphins and JT profited from this one while we come away losing a 2nd rounder (possibly Ziggy Hood) and $17m poorer and possibly still be looking for a future RDE in '10.

[53Fan]

Well said Hamoskinz!

[Dirtbag59]

If Jason Taylor is granted the freedom to shoot the gaps as he desires then 64.2% of you will be eating your words in February 2010.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

If Jason Taylor is granted the freedom to shoot the gaps as he desires then 64.2% of you will be eating your words in February 2010.

IF he's granted the freedom. That's my whole point. Should that even be a question? Why did we sign him last year at such a steep price and NOT allow him to have freedom? Should'nt we already know how we're going to use an established player whose been in the league for YEARS before we give up 2 draft picks and 8.5 million for him? It's funny how everyone who thinks this is a good deal precedes their comments with "IF". Nobody's really SURE how we're going to use him are they? That's the problem. Halfway through the 2 years we signed him for, they're trying to figure out the best way to use him. It's getting kinda late for that isn't it? The original trade was not worth it but there's no need in crying over spilt milk. Is it worth it to keep him this year at 8.5? Maybe..IF they use him to the best of his abilities and we can still stop the run.

[SBXVII]

I'm concerned about what some are talking about doing. Move Taylor to RDE. Ok, he did better there in Miami so moving him will help him but not Carter. Carter is small also to be on the LDE spot. Is there a chance we rotate Carter and Taylor to keep fresh legs on the field. Is there a chance we move Taylor to LB on the same side as Carter creating an over load on one side? Move Evans to LDE? Move whoever is on Carters side now at LB or the other side? Then look for another big body to help clog the middle and stop the run/ create a pass rush?

Is that why DS was having dinner with Haynesworth's agent to get a feel for the money needed to bring him in. Then speak with the coach's and see if letting someone go is the answer to picking up Haynesworth? or was he talking with the agent about a draft prospect? I don't see how they could do it money wise but could they still sign Haynesworth for the D-line help we need keep Taylor and move him and still sign Hall? Who would have to be let go for that to work? I just can't see us doing all of it.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

If Jason Taylor is granted the freedom to shoot the gaps as he desires then 64.2% of you will be eating your words in February 2010.

Won't the ultimate irony be if he turns in a dynamite season and all of the naysayers then turn into a 'let's offer him a 2 year deal so he doesn't retire' crowd?

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

I agree. What do you think of Taylor at RDE, Carter to WLB, and McIntosh to SLB?

I think thats a good idea SOM.
IMO I think we should put JT at RDE (period) Then fill in the gaps the best we can. Carter at LB I think is not "great" but solid enough. McIntosh works IMO at SLB.

Originally Posted by Paintrain Won't the ultimate irony be if he turns in a dynamite season and all of the naysayers then turn into a 'let's offer him a 2 year deal so he doesn't retire' crowd?

I think that is the most likely scenario Paintrain

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359
If Jason Taylor is granted the freedom to shoot the gaps as he desires then 64.2% of you will be eating your words in February 2010.

Right On Dirtbag